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Baffler · Mar 9th, 2010, 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by padjoe

hi my 440 1.6 1995 wont start
i can get the igntion lights on and starter motor will turn but no joy
last mechanic said power wouldnt go to ht leads

Also check the flywheel position sensor. You will have no HT spark if this has failed or lost its position.

Adi2727 · Mar 10th, 2010, 18:33

Hey... Hello

The error codes from pin number 2 must be read with the engine started!

Good luck

P.S. Also, the error codes are slightly different depending on what type of governing system is applied.
Check this list for a proper diagnosis.
engine error codes, pin number 2

Volvo Dave · Mar 11th, 2010, 11:18

Are you sure that the car has an imobiliser as the starter is turning ?? I have owned a range of 400 series models over the years (2x440, 2x 460, 2 x 480) and when working on them never come across an imobiliser. My wife had a 95 440 si 1.6 and that had a none start problem that turned out to be nothing more that a damaged distrubuter cap! Having said that her replacement 440 2.0 s.i. had a none start due to the timing belt going!! Does your car have injection or a carb ?? First thing to check is the coil pack if fitted. First check for a HT output using a spare spark plug. If it is working then check the distrubuter, etc. If there is no output check the supply into the coil pack. Could be just a bad earth or broken wire. Is the car an auto ?? My wife tried to start my 460 the other week with the auto box in N and I had to explain that there is a switch on the box that prevents the engine starting unless in P. If the car has injection then it could be a faulty ecu not sending a signal to the coil pack unit ?? Hope this helps with finding the fault.

padjoe · Mar 11th, 2010, 14:42

i heard it could be a faulty ecu so i am looking at all other options first
i dont think it has and imoboliser but not sure
i am fighting with my 240 at the moment so the 440 has takin a back seat
i will post my results as soon as i get them

Nifton · Mar 15th, 2010, 13:11

Hi, firstly, socket 2 is for the ABS, you want socket 3. the issue with the dull LED can be remedied by turning your car off, lock, then unlock using the fob, leave it off for 10 seconds, replace the lead in the ODB and test as per your user guide, viola! fault codes for your perusal.

Can you give me more info please? when you turn the car over, is it even trying to catch the ignition? I.E does it stumble and try?

If not, can you hear the fuel pump engage (dull plink followed by running noise, it's VERY quiet, so you have to listen well). If you can, or even if you're not sure, try taking one of the injectors out and turn the car over, see you have fuel spraying from the injector. If you have, then it's not a fuel line issue.

If she's catching and dropping dead straight away, check all your vacuum hoses, this means more than a visual, remove them one by one and replace as you go, cleaning the mounting surfaces, securing with zip ties when necesary. While you have them off, gently bend them to make sure you have no perferations.

IMO, get some fault codes, then it will narrow the search down by a large margin and give you somewhere to start.

jlgrosvenor · May 1st, 2010, 19:30

Try replacing all the relays under the dashboard by the steering column. If you have a near scrapyard they will probably let you take them for free.

Nifton · May 4th, 2010, 16:15

They are fuses mate, the relays are under the bonnet in the triangular black plastic box in the drainage trough.

Just seen you're a chezzer lad, i work out of manor offices on old lane, what colours your 440? i'll give you a wave if I see you about!

Paul240480 · May 7th, 2010, 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baffler

Also check the flywheel position sensor. You will have no HT spark if this has failed or lost its position.

The FPS can cause all sorts of faults! Check it with with 'leccy tester'. Just follow the black wire from it on the bell housing to the connector. Unplug & test, should give 220 Ohms +/- 60 IIRC.

If it's out of these parameters you can try cleaning it. It cannot be adjusted. Mine died on my old 480 & I replaced it with one from a scrappy for £10 & it was 'spot-on' at 220 Ohms

Good luck.

Mar 10th, 2010, 18:33	#12
Adi2727 Flying Transylvanian Last Online: Jan 31st, 2023 15:32 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Brasov	Hey... Hello The error codes from pin number 2 must be read with the engine started! Good luck P.S. Also, the error codes are slightly different depending on what type of governing system is applied. Check this list for a proper diagnosis. engine error codes, pin number 2 Last edited by Adi2727; Mar 10th, 2010 at 18:37.

Mar 11th, 2010, 11:18	#13
Volvo Dave Senior Member Last Online: Oct 9th, 2021 19:37 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Newton Aycliffe,Co Durham	Are you sure that the car has an imobiliser as the starter is turning ?? I have owned a range of 400 series models over the years (2x440, 2x 460, 2 x 480) and when working on them never come across an imobiliser. My wife had a 95 440 si 1.6 and that had a none start problem that turned out to be nothing more that a damaged distrubuter cap! Having said that her replacement 440 2.0 s.i. had a none start due to the timing belt going!! Does your car have injection or a carb ?? First thing to check is the coil pack if fitted. First check for a HT output using a spare spark plug. If it is working then check the distrubuter, etc. If there is no output check the supply into the coil pack. Could be just a bad earth or broken wire. Is the car an auto ?? My wife tried to start my 460 the other week with the auto box in N and I had to explain that there is a switch on the box that prevents the engine starting unless in P. If the car has injection then it could be a faulty ecu not sending a signal to the coil pack unit ?? Hope this helps with finding the fault. __________________ Volvo 855 S 2.5 10v (P reg) - 134k

Mar 15th, 2010, 13:11	#15
Nifton Junior Member Last Online: May 30th, 2020 11:52 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sheffield	Hi, firstly, socket 2 is for the ABS, you want socket 3. the issue with the dull LED can be remedied by turning your car off, lock, then unlock using the fob, leave it off for 10 seconds, replace the lead in the ODB and test as per your user guide, viola! fault codes for your perusal. Can you give me more info please? when you turn the car over, is it even trying to catch the ignition? I.E does it stumble and try? If not, can you hear the fuel pump engage (dull plink followed by running noise, it's VERY quiet, so you have to listen well). If you can, or even if you're not sure, try taking one of the injectors out and turn the car over, see you have fuel spraying from the injector. If you have, then it's not a fuel line issue. If she's catching and dropping dead straight away, check all your vacuum hoses, this means more than a visual, remove them one by one and replace as you go, cleaning the mounting surfaces, securing with zip ties when necesary. While you have them off, gently bend them to make sure you have no perferations. IMO, get some fault codes, then it will narrow the search down by a large margin and give you somewhere to start. Last edited by Nifton; Mar 15th, 2010 at 13:13.

Mar 11th, 2010, 14:42	#14
padjoe Member Last Online: Aug 27th, 2012 15:55 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: derry	i heard it could be a faulty ecu so i am looking at all other options first i dont think it has and imoboliser but not sure i am fighting with my 240 at the moment so the 440 has takin a back seat i will post my results as soon as i get them

May 1st, 2010, 19:30	#16
jlgrosvenor Member Last Online: Aug 25th, 2016 13:11 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Chesterfield	Try replacing all the relays under the dashboard by the steering column. If you have a near scrapyard they will probably let you take them for free.

May 4th, 2010, 16:15	#17
Nifton Junior Member Last Online: May 30th, 2020 11:52 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sheffield	They are fuses mate, the relays are under the bonnet in the triangular black plastic box in the drainage trough. Just seen you're a chezzer lad, i work out of manor offices on old lane, what colours your 440? i'll give you a wave if I see you about!

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