Have Volvo vehicles improved since being bought by Ford?Rating 1 to 6. (1 - Yes, 6 - No)

[Volvo2002]

Originally Posted by AcidicDavey

Why would Fifth Gear advertise for Renault by using a 3/4yo car? The whole point of the test was to demonstrate how safety has progressed over the last few years.

I know the point of the test but it was much debated if Fifth gear had removed the Volvos engine.....

[The Thong]

Originally Posted by Clan

The electronics , BLIS , and a lot of the unique systems from 2007 onwards , they used the RTI and remote locking system for their Aston Martins. I suppose volvo benefitted from Landrovers Hill Descent Control though ;-) Has anyone actualy USED that ?

I have, the HDC is bloody fantastic mate.

[AcidicDavey]

Originally Posted by Volvo2002

I know the point of the test but it was much debated if Fifth gear had removed the Volvo's engine.....

I personally can't imagine why they'd bother, the ride height of the Volvo would have looked very odd at the front with an engine!

Looking at the clip again I can really understand why people would think they had but frankly safety has just progressed so far...

[123GT-AMAZON]

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have they hec improved dealer support down hill service costs through the roof and parts fail to say a few a true volvo of peddiegree would be and stand the test of time and be road safe

they fords with volvo badging in my view and if you want summit to back it up look at all the hassles with gearboxes in new volvos

now a old gear box would still be working 30 years from being made so think what u will quailty workmanship they aint got lol


sorry if it offends its just my view and experience gimme a classic volvo any day over a new one holds the money better aswell


ps poll needs a "no" added to it seems the poll is set so it has no choice but a way of u saying u like em

[Nip sips]

I'm a newbie but as I work for a ford dealer I may be able to shed some light from a ford perspective. The Focus 2005 on models are very similar to the V40/C30 and a world apart from the mk1 focus in terms of build quality and drive. However the Diesel engines are not ford based - they are all PSA units. The only true Ford diesel in the Focus was a 1.8 Duratorq which is an unrefined 8 valve. I've just bought an S60 and I also test drove a MK3 Mondeo - the S60 is built ten times better! Feels more solid and looks better too.

Fords have improved recently ill give you that. But they still to this day don't feel as solid as Volvos do in my opinion. Or BMW for that matter!

[Ninja59]

Originally Posted by 1800necwinner

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have they hec improved dealer support down hill service costs through the roof and parts fail to say a few a true volvo of peddiegree would be and stand the test of time and be road safe

they fords with volvo badging in my view and if you want summit to back it up look at all the hassles with gearboxes in new volvos

now a old gear box would still be working 30 years from being made so think what u will quailty workmanship they aint got lol


sorry if it offends its just my view and experience gimme a classic volvo any day over a new one holds the money better aswell


ps poll needs a "no" added to it seems the poll is set so it has no choice but a way of u saying u like em

in fairness to volvo though a lot of things these days are from the same manufacturers not the car manufacturer. In relation to the gearboxes i think what you are referring to is most of all is DMF's and DPF related (in diesels anyway).

Gearboxes now have quite a bit more power from a smaller engine, and no doubt more torque. Whilst the DMF treated badly will not last neither would a many a clutch i doubt many a gearbox either.

DPF's you cannot escape from 2011, as all diesels had to have them to get past emissions from the EU!

Many things on introduction or 1st versions are/were naturally unfortunately "flawed to some degree".

Any NEW car would have depreciation nothing new there. Quite why that is revelation is beyond me.

I sometimes "love" the them and us on here, honestly.

[Ninja59]

Originally Posted by Nip sips

I'm a newbie but as I work for a ford dealer I may be able to shed some light from a ford perspective. The Focus 2005 on models are very similar to the V40/C30 and a world apart from the mk1 focus in terms of build quality and drive. However the Diesel engines are not ford based - they are all PSA units. The only true Ford diesel in the Focus was a 1.8 Duratorq which is an unrefined 8 valve. I've just bought an S60 and I also test drove a MK3 Mondeo - the S60 is built ten times better! Feels more solid and looks better too.

Fords have improved recently ill give you that. But they still to this day don't feel as solid as Volvos do in my opinion. Or BMW for that matter!

Scratches head? was the 2.0D not a Ford and Pug joint venture...

[Nip sips]

Not as far as I was aware. I thought it was all PSA... Although Wikipedia says different. Ironically I'm a parts advisor for Ford/Peugeot and Citroen lol. Ford tend to label their engines with a name code I.e the 2.0 diesel in a Mondeo/Transit (16v chain driven) is a Puma and the 1.8 I described earlier is called a Lynx. The PSA engines in the Focus are a DW10. Ford may have financed it but there aren't to many Ford components in them if any! It's a bit confusing really as the Puma diesel is still used in the Transit, and the Lynx is in the Transit Connect, Ford seem to have no desire to use these engines in their commercial vehicles.

Either way they seem to be fairly solid engines i guess, apart from the turbo issue on the 1.6 and the DPF although I'm not to sure if Volvo use them? Maybe Ford told us that they were PSA engines in case they were horrendously unreliable.

Ironically someone said earlier about Ford stealing the 2.5 T5 engine? A stonking engine however it seems the emissions regulations have put a stop to it, and now even Ford are having to use a 2.0 Ecoboost in their ST.

[Ninja59]

Originally Posted by Nip sips

Not as far as I was aware. I thought it was all PSA... Although Wikipedia says different. Ironically I'm a parts advisor for Ford/Peugeot and Citroen lol. Ford tend to label their engines with a name code I.e the 2.0 diesel in a Mondeo/Transit (16v chain driven) is a Puma and the 1.8 I described earlier is called a Lynx. The PSA engines in the Focus are a DW10. Ford may have financed it but there aren't to many Ford components in them if any! It's a bit confusing really as the Puma diesel is still used in the Transit, and the Lynx is in the Transit Connect, Ford seem to have no desire to use these engines in their commercial vehicles.

Either way they seem to be fairly solid engines i guess, apart from the turbo issue on the 1.6 and the DPF although I'm not to sure if Volvo use them? Maybe Ford told us that they were PSA engines in case they were horrendously unreliable.

Ironically someone said earlier about Ford stealing the 2.5 T5 engine? A stonking engine however it seems the emissions regulations have put a stop to it, and now even Ford are having to use a 2.0 Ecoboost in their ST.

volvo do use the 1.6 as the low emissions (the earlier 16v and the newer 8v)

ford funded it but from what i heard ford were the main suppliers of finished engines and volvo made the most from what i heard!

technically it is true there would of been no ST or RS...in the Mk2.

[mrc1501]

Wow!! Just spent quite an age trawling through all this. Would it help the argument to actually state which models of Volvo have been influenced by Ford, and exactly what was it that was changed/modified/adapted.

Which models, and model years, have seen the biggest input from Ford, and what was this input