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Whats the future for caravanning?

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Old Sep 1st, 2019, 18:43   #11
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Acceleration is one thing, range is another...
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Old Sep 1st, 2019, 18:53   #12
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Not lost upon me, but the subject is on the future of caravanning. Capable vehicles are available today, easily able to tow for 3 hours between charges. Not enough for an all-nighter to Tuscany, but plenty good for an awful lot of journeys and the infrastructure is still immature. Give it 3 years and the future will be quiet. And torquey.
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Surely the answer is to put another 150-250Kg of batteries in the caravan? What's the betting Tesla will be making electric caravans and trailers with batteries in them?
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Surely the answer is to put another 150-250Kg of batteries in the caravan? What's the betting Tesla will be making electric caravans and trailers with batteries in them?
I’m not a caravanner, but won’t that restrict the towcar/trailer weight ratios?
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How all these electrical vehicles are going to be made considering the following:

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/press-office/p...g-net-zer.html

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The metal resource needed to make all cars and vans electric by 2050 and all sales to be purely battery electric by 2035. To replace all UK-based vehicles today with electric vehicles (not including the LGV and HGV fleets), assuming they use the most resource-frugal next-generation NMC 811 batteries, would take 207,900 tonnes cobalt, 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate (LCE), at least 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium, in addition to 2,362,500 tonnes copper. This represents, just under two times the total annual world cobalt production, nearly the entire world production of neodymium, three quarters the world’s lithium production and at least half of the world’s copper production during 2018. Even ensuring the annual supply of electric vehicles only, from 2035 as pledged, will require the UK to annually import the equivalent of the entire annual cobalt needs of European industry.

That's before we consider the environmental impact of electric cars, which are being deliberately ignored:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...an-gas-powered

We're being sold a pup here, especially as the whole "CO2 is killing the planet" hoax is literally based on junk science from scientists with a 100% track record of getting it wrong.

I'll stick to diesel thanks, you can keep your electric white elephants.
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There's some interesting points raised, but a couple that are somewhat ignored. Principle amongst them are the location of the pollution; one of the most critical things about remote electricity generation is that it can be conducted (hahahaa see what I did there?) away from populated areas, the CO2 generated can be offset locally by trees planted nearby. You can't do that in downtown Bristol.

Another issue is that of how spent batteries are used. Once they are no longer useful to power vehicles, devices which need a high rate of charge and discharge to be useful, they can still be used as support for housing requirements. Ditto vehicles that are plugged in overnight.

Very shortly, gas boilers will be illegal in new house builds; the end of burning dead fossils is coming as surely as pubs will stop accepting cash.
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There's some interesting points raised, but a couple that are somewhat ignored. Principle amongst them are the location of the pollution; one of the most critical things about remote electricity generation is that it can be conducted (hahahaa see what I did there?) away from populated areas, the CO2 generated can be offset locally by trees planted nearby. You can't do that in downtown Bristol.

Another issue is that of how spent batteries are used. Once they are no longer useful to power vehicles, devices which need a high rate of charge and discharge to be useful, they can still be used as support for housing requirements. Ditto vehicles that are plugged in overnight.

Very shortly, gas boilers will be illegal in new house builds; the end of burning dead fossils is coming as surely as pubs will stop accepting cash.
With CO and diesel emissions - it's a local thing.

With with CO2 it's not so local - it's damage is as a greenhouse gas - it's the overall quantity in the atmosphere that's the issue, not us breathing it in the streets.

Diesel emissions and Carbon Monoxide can be toxic to humans, especially those that are elderly or already in ill-health. Carbon Dioxide is not, the issue is the link to climate change.
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With CO and diesel emissions - it's a local thing.

With with CO2 it's not so local - it's damage is as a greenhouse gas - it's the overall quantity in the atmosphere that's the issue, not us breathing it in the streets.

Diesel emissions and Carbon Monoxide can be toxic to humans, especially those that are elderly or already in ill-health. Carbon Dioxide is not, the issue is the link to climate change.
CO2 is 0.04% of the earth's atmosphere, man's contribution to that 0.04% is 3%, if you think that's changing the climate I have a bridge to sell you.
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With more and more pressure to get away from diesels and on to smaller and smaller petrol and electric powered cars, how will we tow caravans?

Anyone like to put a time frame on the day we wont be able to afford diesel as the government of the day tries to price us off the road?
I wouldn't be surprised to see an electric motor on the axle and a battery on the floor to power the caravan , to take all the towing force from the car and compensate for the extra wind resistance, the car would be more economical and have better emissions when towing than with no caravan! Shall we patent the idea ?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see an electric motor on the axle and a battery on the floor to power the caravan , to take all the towing force from the car and compensate for the extra wind resistance, the car would be more economical and have better emissions when towing than with no caravan! Shall we patent the idea ?
And the battery is charged from the wheels when braking and by solar panels covering the caravan roof which also charge the car batteries?
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