General: 70: - Volvo Car UK Policy on ETM Replacement - Page 21

mikealder · Mar 14th, 2011, 19:45

Is the car a Turbo model or just normally aspirated?

If its non turbo the ETM is probably easier to remove than changing the battery! You only need a screwdriver and a 10MM spanner.

Before commiting to changing/ fixing the ETM get the fault codes read on the car as it should have something stored against the ETM if the lights been on.

Once the ETM is off the car send it to bba for a few days then put it back on the car when you get it back fixed - Mike

Mucky pups · Mar 14th, 2011, 20:09

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Originally Posted by deathrider311271

why are people still paying for new ETMs when you can get a perfectly good second hand one and fit that for a fraction of the cost then if required get the relevent software, its beyond me why people are prepared to pay dealer prices when there is an alternative.

i have done a write up on the alternative and people have done as i have advised to good effect.

even when u do go to the dealer your NOT getting a new unit it is reconditioned.

rant over

Because as I said, I wouldn't be able to fit one myself so I'd have to pay a mechanic to do it - hence why I've asked if any one knows of independants in the area!

deathrider311271 · Mar 14th, 2011, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mucky pups

Because as I said, I wouldn't be able to fit one myself so I'd have to pay a mechanic to do it - hence why I've asked if any one knows of independants in the area!

wasnt having a go at anyone in particular mate was just a general rant lol

Mucky pups · Mar 14th, 2011, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathrider311271

wasnt having a go at anyone in particular mate was just a general rant lol

No problem - Only wish I was able to do it myself!!

deathrider311271 · Mar 14th, 2011, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Mucky pups

No problem - Only wish I was able to do it myself!!

have a read of this before buying new: http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=98886

i did mine this way, any competent mechanic will be able to replace the ETM its weather you need to have software upgraded to run correctly or not.

Used turbo ETM less than £100, non turbo ETM less than £80 + fitting off course

simon

Mucky pups · Mar 14th, 2011, 20:30

It's a non turbo.

I will get it into a local garage that I trust as soon as I can for the codes read and then take it from there.

Thanks

philgmitch · Aug 10th, 2011, 12:05

My XC70 had it's ETM cleaned and a Software upgrade performed by a dealer in Orpington, Kent sometime in 2008 - foc but only after me writing to Volvo Cars UK after hearing about the high profile issue on Watchdog and on this forum I recall. The dealer were extremely cagey and were'nt happy at doing this for free - even being recompensed by Volvo UK.

Before the car was 10 years old and still with only 46000 miles (I drive approx. 3500 miles pa at present), the issues returned, though intermittent and mild, but with no warning light and no fault codes. On 3 occasions I returned to the dealer, without being able to recreate the symptoms. I reported it to Volvo UK and obtained a Reference dating my contact to prior to 10 years. More recently I've had a Volvo mechanic independently experience the problem, he helped me to rule out some other possibilities like Fuel Pressure, Pump etc. His verdict is to replace the ETM. Sadly its out of warranty now even though mileage is still only 56000 and even though this latest episode began inside the 10 years. The Dealer would not admit to there being a 10 year warranty on this and neither did they admit that it's a major issue for owners.

The problem has now worsened and gives symptoms on most journey's, sometimes quite severe, lurching heavily and picking up again.

In June I wrote to Volvo UK with this story and they sent £150 in Vouchers for use in service or parts. Not too generous for a job that'll cost £600+ via a dealer. The Independent Volvo mechanic previously offered to fit a new ETM (£410) and apply the necessary software fix (can only be done by a Volvo dealer - apparently - unless anyone knows differently). He's lost interest since I mentioned the vouchers - I wonder why! Since when do mechanics justify £410 for less than 2 hours work!

I have no faith in the Volvo Dealer network as a result of this and am now looking for another solution. Any suggestions gratefully received.

Phil

RUTV70 · Aug 10th, 2011, 15:23

You could consider a refurb, Phil...try BBA Re-manufacturing (in Kent.!)...at least it won't need any "re-programming" as it's the original to the car..but it will still cost ya around £300..!!..and you'll be without the car for a few days at least.
The ETM is easy to remove if it's a non-turbo...if it's a turbo then it's more difficult due to it's location..

Neil

Andypa · Aug 12th, 2011, 15:37

Just to let you know, the software update isn't exclusive to Volvo. I recently had a new ETM fitted at an independant diagnostic specialist (unofficially recommended by a Volvo dealer)!!

The cost is nearly all for the part which is Volvo only, you'll do very well to find any dealer offering for one for less than £295 +vat. On a non-turbo it's just 4 bolts to fit it, just the wiring can be a bit tricky to get to in order to detach as it goes around the back of the manifold. £410 is a fair price, though I found a few Volvo dealers quoting around this price, so £600 sounds like an expensive dealer. I would personally be very wary of BBA, they recently had my original ETM for 3 weeks waiting for parts and I wasn't the only one. Also their fix turned out not to work, basically they replace an electrical sensor which is acknowledged as the usual culprit, but mine and again I wasn't alone, turned out to be a mechanical fault (the butterfly valve was sticking open). My advice would be to go to a diagnositc specialist and confirm the nature of the fault before you start replacing anything.

Another option would be to find one from the wreckers and yes this would need re-programming to match your car, but again this can be done independantly, I think I was quoted around £70 for this, though obvioulsy you would be taking a risk on how long this would last. If it has a yellow sticker on it then it's likely to be a replacement one rather then the original. Though some replacements also have a white sticker like the original.

ade555 · Aug 25th, 2011, 18:39

can some one please let me know if you get your ETM replaced original brand new part from volvo will that last for few years " so basicly are the yellow sticker are bullet proof" or could I get still the same problem 2 years down the line, mine didn't fail yet not sure if is original or not, just wanted to know

Aug 10th, 2011, 12:05	#207
philgmitch New Member Last Online: Aug 24th, 2011 14:09 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Croydon	ETM Issue - XC70 2000 My XC70 had it's ETM cleaned and a Software upgrade performed by a dealer in Orpington, Kent sometime in 2008 - foc but only after me writing to Volvo Cars UK after hearing about the high profile issue on Watchdog and on this forum I recall. The dealer were extremely cagey and were'nt happy at doing this for free - even being recompensed by Volvo UK. Before the car was 10 years old and still with only 46000 miles (I drive approx. 3500 miles pa at present), the issues returned, though intermittent and mild, but with no warning light and no fault codes. On 3 occasions I returned to the dealer, without being able to recreate the symptoms. I reported it to Volvo UK and obtained a Reference dating my contact to prior to 10 years. More recently I've had a Volvo mechanic independently experience the problem, he helped me to rule out some other possibilities like Fuel Pressure, Pump etc. His verdict is to replace the ETM. Sadly its out of warranty now even though mileage is still only 56000 and even though this latest episode began inside the 10 years. The Dealer would not admit to there being a 10 year warranty on this and neither did they admit that it's a major issue for owners. The problem has now worsened and gives symptoms on most journey's, sometimes quite severe, lurching heavily and picking up again. In June I wrote to Volvo UK with this story and they sent £150 in Vouchers for use in service or parts. Not too generous for a job that'll cost £600+ via a dealer. The Independent Volvo mechanic previously offered to fit a new ETM (£410) and apply the necessary software fix (can only be done by a Volvo dealer - apparently - unless anyone knows differently). He's lost interest since I mentioned the vouchers - I wonder why! Since when do mechanics justify £410 for less than 2 hours work! I have no faith in the Volvo Dealer network as a result of this and am now looking for another solution. Any suggestions gratefully received. Phil

Aug 10th, 2011, 15:23	#208
RUTV70 RUTRUNNER Last Online: Jan 25th, 2016 11:32 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oakham View Photos By: RUTV70	You could consider a refurb, Phil...try BBA Re-manufacturing (in Kent.!)...at least it won't need any "re-programming" as it's the original to the car..but it will still cost ya around £300..!!..and you'll be without the car for a few days at least. The ETM is easy to remove if it's a non-turbo...if it's a turbo then it's more difficult due to it's location.. Neil __________________ classic V70 1999MY 20 valve non turbo, auto (adaptive) B5254. ETM/Denso Previous Volvos...264 auto...loved it. 340 manual...not so loved. 760 auto...loved it. Last edited by RUTV70; Aug 10th, 2011 at 15:26.

Aug 12th, 2011, 15:37	#209
Andypa New Member Last Online: Apr 4th, 2017 20:43 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Doncaster	Just to let you know, the software update isn't exclusive to Volvo. I recently had a new ETM fitted at an independant diagnostic specialist (unofficially recommended by a Volvo dealer)!! The cost is nearly all for the part which is Volvo only, you'll do very well to find any dealer offering for one for less than £295 +vat. On a non-turbo it's just 4 bolts to fit it, just the wiring can be a bit tricky to get to in order to detach as it goes around the back of the manifold. £410 is a fair price, though I found a few Volvo dealers quoting around this price, so £600 sounds like an expensive dealer. I would personally be very wary of BBA, they recently had my original ETM for 3 weeks waiting for parts and I wasn't the only one. Also their fix turned out not to work, basically they replace an electrical sensor which is acknowledged as the usual culprit, but mine and again I wasn't alone, turned out to be a mechanical fault (the butterfly valve was sticking open). My advice would be to go to a diagnositc specialist and confirm the nature of the fault before you start replacing anything. Another option would be to find one from the wreckers and yes this would need re-programming to match your car, but again this can be done independantly, I think I was quoted around £70 for this, though obvioulsy you would be taking a risk on how long this would last. If it has a yellow sticker on it then it's likely to be a replacement one rather then the original. Though some replacements also have a white sticker like the original. Last edited by Andypa; Aug 12th, 2011 at 15:43.

Mar 14th, 2011, 19:45	#201
mikealder VOC Member Last Online: Nov 6th, 2016 10:18 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Blackpool UK	Is the car a Turbo model or just normally aspirated? If its non turbo the ETM is probably easier to remove than changing the battery! You only need a screwdriver and a 10MM spanner. Before commiting to changing/ fixing the ETM get the fault codes read on the car as it should have something stored against the ETM if the lights been on. Once the ETM is off the car send it to bba for a few days then put it back on the car when you get it back fixed - Mike

Mar 14th, 2011, 20:30	#206
Mucky pups New Member Last Online: Aug 10th, 2011 12:32 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: CHESHIRE	It's a non turbo. I will get it into a local garage that I trust as soon as I can for the codes read and then take it from there. Thanks

Aug 25th, 2011, 18:39	#210
ade555 Senior Member Last Online: Jul 19th, 2012 08:39 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Hull	can some one please let me know if you get your ETM replaced original brand new part from volvo will that last for few years " so basicly are the yellow sticker are bullet proof" or could I get still the same problem 2 years down the line, mine didn't fail yet not sure if is original or not, just wanted to know

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