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Dangerous steering, please help, Whits end!

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Old Aug 1st, 2023, 12:09   #1
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Hi all,

I have a 2005 XC90. The steering has become dangerous at speed, but mainly when braking lightly or accelerating hard, especially on a corner. The brakes also judder all the time as if in and all the time, even when at a crawl.

This has been happening for a while. This is what I have done so far:

Replaced the following:

Steering pump
Steering rack
Both sides front lower wishbones, suspension strut, all ball joints, wheel hubs, drive shafts, tie rod ends, drop links, brake pads, brake discs, basically everything that connects the wheel to the car
All sub frame bushes and bolts
New tyres
Tracking

But it is still knocking somewhere when going over bumps and such and the steering issue when braking mostly. It pulls to both sides as you brake, like slaloming, and then when it settles down at slower speeds or after you stop and release the brakes, the car then lurches to one side as if a wheel gets released.

Before I start anything else, I have a replacement abs unit to try, can anyone suggest anything?
I have been thinking something between the gearbox and drive shafts but?
The engine and auto gearbox work great, up and down through the gears no problem.

Please help
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Old Aug 1st, 2023, 12:17   #2
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I should add it has 200k miles, had just gone through the MOT before I bought it cheap about 6 months ago. No error codes, brakes work fine and stop the car well, just not in a straight line unless you really hold it and steer back and forth. No abs light coming on and no messages on the screen.
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Old Aug 2nd, 2023, 09:11   #3
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With all due respect, you will likely have had more success taking the car to someone who understands it and can diagnose the issue rather than throwing money and parts at it on a poke and hope diagnosis method.

It may well have cost more up front, but it might have been one part that needs replacing. I would still do that, an experienced Volvo Independent will likely diagnose it within an hour. You seem to have symptoms with both the brakes and steering??
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It pulls to both sides as you brake, like slaloming
This sounds like the tracking is massively out.
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Full and thorough alignment/tracking done ? Sticking brake caliper/s. Anti roll bar bush/es?

One positive to take away, when you do resolve the issue (sorry to mention it but hopefully it's not due to accident damage), you will have replaced a lot of the wear and tear/service items already and will largely be good for many miles to come

As suggested, try a Volvo independent who should be familiar with your model of car.

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Yeah, due to the mileage (it is quite high!) all these things needed doing to a reater or lesser degree. But with each part fitted I had hoped for more positive results.

I had thought sticky callipers, but whe it is off the ground, and spinning the wheels by hand, they are free and when brakes are applied the wheel stops, let off and they are free again, so not sure? I am going to replace the brake fluid as I am sure it hasnt been done in a long while.

Also, I did use the correct green power steering fluid when I changed the steering rack (2nd hand). Maybe I will change it back again to check. I did find the UJ joint on the old steering rack was totally seized, but the new one is good.

Honestly I suspect the brakes, but the doing it under heavy acceleration has thrown me a bit.

I have had the tracking done, but I have changed the off side hub since then so will need to be done again, but I would like to change the steering rack first.

And for some one to tell me if this could be a front diff issue, if there is one?

Thank you for the replies so far.

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Old Aug 2nd, 2023, 22:20   #7
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take a look at the top spring mounts the centre rubber bush part breaks causing steering mis alignment and knocking its a common failure point this also affects xc70s and v70s very hard to spot whilst stationary due to the weight of the vehicle it only moves and knock when moving.
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When I bought my XC90 2 years ago it had had new front disks and pads fitted by Halfords not long before. Good I thought and brakes worked well until braking from 80 mph with full load on downhill gradient (on french motorways) when I would get lots of brake judder/vibration; later on all would be back to normal. I concluded that the disks must be distorting with the heat from heavy braking. Fitted Volvo brakes and pads and the problem has now gone.
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One positive to take away, when you do resolve the issue (sorry to mention it but hopefully it's not due to accident damage), you will have replaced a lot of the wear and tear/service items already and will largely be good for many miles to come
One of the first things that came to mind, with that much work done on the car with that mileage you may as well marry the car

I am curious to see how long you can get this car to last as a high mile hero.

Also thanks for the hints here as there are a lot of suggestions that are proving useful with a non-Volvo car that is starting to have the issue listed above.
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Haha, yeah, I`m aiming for 500k!

OK, got the wheels re-tracked, that seems to have stopped the slaloming mostly.

It seems to be a brake issue. But I am still confused as on one drive out, it seems thie left brake is working but the right isnt and then on the next drive its the other way around???

Any ideas?
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