Euro NCAP Crash Test of Volvo V60

[Quacker]

In my opinion there should be separate ratings for the crash test part and the crash mitigation system.

[Haldex]

Originally Posted by gaby

When new cars get safer, the existing ones will get less stars. This explains why the Panda may have
earned more stars before but less now since it has relatively become less safe compared to the best.

You're right about the relative evaluation- but also the test procedure has changed in the past 5-6 years. For example have a look at Panda 2011 (https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/fiat/panda/10970) vs. Panda 2018 (https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/fiat/panda/34191) - one can click on the arrow and expand the test result details. In 2011 they were testing just front adult occupants- not rear, for example. In 2018- rear adult occupants pretty much died of injuries- so Panda, for example, was always as dangerous- it's just that the tests weren't as meticulous as today..

[gaby]

Originally Posted by Haldex

You're right about the relative evaluation- but also the test procedure has changed in the past 5-6 years.

Which is a good thing. As the subject of test evolves, so should the method of testing it.

[Philip Fisher]

Considering the Panda got no stars I was surprised about how well it seemed to cope with the main 40% overlap test. It looks in good shape afterwards. I am remembering the old Rover 100 which virtually folded up on impact and I can't remember that might have even got 1 star....

[gaby]

If the car looks relatively good after a collision, then perhaps the crumple zones didn't absorb much
of the energy and the occupants had to endure more G-forces.
The third page of the pdf file seems to confirm this: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/fiat/panda/34191
Compare the results of the Panda with the XC90: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/volvo/xc90/20976
The bodies of the occupants are much "greener".

[AB-UK]

Just stumbled upon these crash tests:
Things to ponder: -
How did they get away with this?
Would you take part - maybe in a new Volvo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWy0hHHECdM

[nu11eaf]

Originally Posted by Quacker

The point maybe further not realised is that this point is closer than you think. Electric car sales are slowly taking off and will increase exponentially over the next few years. I reckon that by 2025, some seven years away or less, that 75%+ threshold will have been punched through. By 2022 or so we should see the price of oil drop like a stone due to overproduction and that will be the end of oil as the dominant road fuel.

Lots of governments are propped up by oil revenue taxes and investments, any far thinking government and pension administrators should now be selling off all there stocks and bonds in these oil companies and individuals too and reinvesting elsewhere.

Fuel duty is a massive income for governments which will hit the economy very badly as electric takes over so other taxes will have to increase heavily.
We will all have to pay more for using our cars or for not using them.

[S5Warrior]

Originally Posted by nu11eaf

Lots of governments are propped up by oil revenue taxes and investments, any far thinking government and pension administrators should now be selling off all there stocks and bonds in these oil companies and individuals too and reinvesting elsewhere.

Fuel duty is a massive income for governments which will hit the economy very badly as electric takes over so other taxes will have to increase heavily.
We will all have to pay more for using our cars or for not using them.

Question for you, who do you think is the biggest investor in renewables?

[nu11eaf]

The tax payers

[Quacker]

Originally Posted by Philip Fisher

Considering the Panda got no stars I was surprised about how well it seemed to cope with the main 40% overlap test. It looks in good shape afterwards. I am remembering the old Rover 100 which virtually folded up on impact and I can't remember that might have even got 1 star....

The Panda actually had a four star safety rating back in 2005 or so, when it was newer if I remember correctly. However it did not have knee or side airbags, autonomous emergency braking, lane keep assists and all the other stuff that has been added on since. It probably still does OK in most of the actual collision tests in engineering terms.