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Diesel particulate filter and rising oil levels discussion

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Old Jul 4th, 2010, 22:36   #1
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Default Diesel particulate filter and rising oil levels discussion

There are a number of threads scattered around the various boards for the models affected and it has been suggested to keep the discussion here as the issue is particular to the engines and not the cars.

All the other threads are indexed below and can be linked to from here to read the previous discussions. If you know of any other discussions let me know and I will add them to the list.



Diesel Engines

Rising oil level on C30 D5

S80 '98-'06 / S60, V70 & XC70 '00-'07 General

Diesel DPF recall

Engine: D5: Confused about oil

Engine: D5: Engine Oil Change

Engine: D5: Soot Filter driving me crazy...HELP

S80 '06> / V70 '07> General

Diesel Particulate Filter DPF

V70: Engine Safety Recall Notice

General Volvo and Motoring Discussions

S60: General Diesel Particulate Filter - recall

MPG on 2008 Volvo S80 D5 Geartronic

Diesel Particulate Filter - Wish List

XC90 General

Engine: D52447: Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF)

XC60 General

XC60 2.4D - Oil level going up !
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Old Jul 26th, 2010, 13:02   #2
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Hi All,

Question surrounding oil for the D5 163 on a 2004 year (04) more specifically in my S60 SE.

Need some oil...

Volvo Genuine 0w30 Fully Synthetic A5B5 - 7 Litres for 93.10. (Sold by Volvo)

Or

Q8 T630 5w30 Part Synthetic A5B5 (apparently with a letter saying it is approved by Volvo) - 7 Litres for 31.68. (Sold by Volvo)

Or

Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 5L Fully Synthetic A5B5 - 7 Litres for 74.00. (Halfords)

Which oil should I put in my car?! I'm aware the D5 engine can be quite fussy, and that apparently it has a 7 litre sump...

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Just been on the phone to another Volvo dealership...

They can sell me 7 litres of the 0w30 A5B5 Fully Synthetic Genuine Volvo stuff (apparently it's Catrol SLX "designed for Volvo") for 88.20 all in.
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Just been on the phone to another Volvo dealership...

They can sell me 7 litres of the 0w30 A5B5 Fully Synthetic Genuine Volvo stuff (apparently it's Catrol SLX "designed for Volvo") for 88.20 all in.
Just bought the above. 6.5 litres including filter to fill up says the Haynes manual so I should have 0.5 to top up if needed.

If anyone recommends anything cheaper and just as good, i'll use that at the next oil change!
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The below is the oil that should be used in the D5 engines:







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i think this is the cheapest place, even with the postage, to get it online ......http://www.mapodo.de/ole-nach/alle-v...-30-1-ltr.html

Just worked it out and the cost with postage for 7 litres is 73.22
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Default Halfords 5W30 OK for 185BHP D5 ?

What are the thoughts on Halfords oil ?
My car is a S60 2006 MY 185BHP D5 and I've read a lot of threads with interest. I've finally gone for Halfords 05W30 Fully synthetic, admittedly 0W30 would be better but I think this is fine and its easily obtainable. It mets the A5/B5 spec and it's recommend for Fords and some Volvos but doesn't state which models. It's in a Grey can and on offer at 27.99 at the moment and its a full 5Ltrs not 4.

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Try Motaquip factors for Motaquip MQX. It's 0w30 A5/B5 and not terribly expensive.
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When at the dealer for an other issue , the told me there was a recall issue concerning the dpf oillevel rising
They also notified me that besides the known upgrade for oillevel alarming the software also adjusted the regenerationintervals and post injection duration
I report this ,because when i readed all the threads concerning this ,people didnt got any answers concerning the injection alterations but that was a few years ago
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There are a number of threads scattered around the various boards for the models affected and it has been suggested to keep the discussion here as the issue is particular to the engines and not the cars.

All the other threads are indexed below and can be linked to from here to read the previous discussions. If you know of any other discussions let me know and I will add them to the list.



Diesel Engines

Rising oil level on C30 D5

S80 '98-'06 / S60, V70 & XC70 '00-'07 General

Diesel DPF recall

Engine: D5: Confused about oil

Engine: D5: Engine Oil Change

Engine: D5: Soot Filter driving me crazy...HELP

S80 '06> / V70 '07> General

Diesel Particulate Filter DPF

V70: Engine Safety Recall Notice

General Volvo and Motoring Discussions

S60: General Diesel Particulate Filter - recall

MPG on 2008 Volvo S80 D5 Geartronic

Diesel Particulate Filter - Wish List

XC90 General

Engine: D52447: Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF)

XC60 General

XC60 2.4D - Oil level going up !



I made a comment on this thread http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showth...t=97764&page=2 quite a long time ago and signed off with "watch this space..." Well that was quite some time ago and not wanting to jeopardise my case with Volvo, I have kept quiet.

Until Now!

Initially, Volvo UK decided to ignore my requests for investigation into the problem, saying that my car was not affected. They then made us (it's my wife's car) jump through numerous hoops in an attempt (we thought) to identify the problem and find a cure. It now turns out they (by asking us to have the oil drained, measured and refilled then driven for 3000 miles and have it drained and measured again) were analysing the engines behaviour so that they could recommend to the dealers the correct level to fill the engine oil to so that the problem "appeared" to have been solved.

One suggestion I made to Volvo is that they at least change the software so that if the oil rises beyond a dangerous point (over the MAX level) the EMS notifies the driver of the problem. I have now discovered, that was the extent of the software update. Volvo (to my knowledge) have not addressed the problem of the dilution of the lubricant with diesel in any way. All they have done is change the software so that a light will come on and an audible warning will sound when the oil rises too high. They have also directed all service agents that they should only fill the affected engines to 3/4 of the original specified oil level... in an effort to make sure that the said oil level warning indicator does not come on before the next service interval.

I admit that after the last service in October, I took my eye off the ball a little. I did not continue to check the oil level... I hadn't driven the wifes car since buying a BMW but a few weeks ago whilst washing it, sat in the volvo and checked the oil level... Just under MAX again! After a call to our local service agent, they confirmed that the software was changed to add a warning over an over level situation and that they only fill affected engines to 3/4 the original specification.

So, the problem persists! At the height of my complaints and the "investigation" by Volvo, I had a quantity of the drained / adulterated oil sent off for analysis by a family member who had lab time on an industrial viscometer. The oil was checked and found to have a viscosity of 31.5 cSt @40degrees C. The original clean oil has a viscosity of 75 cSt. So, by diluting the oil with Diesel, our engines are halving the viscosity of the life blood which keeps it lubricated. This MUST be having a direct effect on the longevity of the engine. You cannot run an engine with the wrong viscosity oil and expect it to last very long.

In order to ascertain whether some of this drop in Kinematic Viscosity was due to the normal behaviour of the oil during it's lifetime, I contacted Castrol and asked what they expected to happen to their oil's viscosity from first fill to the next service interval. The chap I spoke to straight away asked which Volvo I was driving!! He then informed that Volvo new about the problem with this particular powerplant but let it go to market anyway. He also told me that the oil's viscosity should not change at all during it's lifetime. Volvo have dropped this and a few other power plants very rapidly from their line up. I wonder why?



So, we are now back to where we started; The engine has not been fixed, the software upgrade did nothing to change the way the diesel is allowed to slip passed the wiper rings during the DPF burn off cycle, the lubricant is still being diluted which will probably lead to partial or complete failure of major engine components.

The owners manual clearly states that the vehicle should not be driven with the wrong viscosity oil. Yet by underfilling the oil resevoir and merely draining oil off when it gets too high (by dilution with diesel) Volvo are knowingly asking the owner to drive the vehicle in a condition which Volvo states " will void all warrantees.."

Could I urge all worried parties to check their engine oil levels again and update this thread, stating whether the oil level is above 1/4 full? 1/4 is the level to which the Volvo service agents are now told to fill these particular engines.

I am at a loss as to what action to take now. We (STUPIDLY) didn't take the car back to the garage and demand a full repair or a refund if not rapaired within a fixed time frame. We trusted Volvo and were let down. They said they had fixed the problem when all they have done is cover it up. They even made us pay for clean oil to be added during the testing phase because I didn't weant the car to run with insufficiently thick lubricant.



Is there anyone with legal training who could advise us what to do now?

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