S60 Brakes: - Handbrake disaster - Page 6

GEORGE72 · Jul 18th, 2010, 18:00

Yes, ATS have a special offer on at the moment (FULL comprehensive Brake check) i downloaded the voucher and explained to them my concern with these shoes, they were more than happy to have alook- And yes they did take the discs off and checked them properly. It took them about 45min in total- contrary to my opinion of any fast fit place they were really quite excellent and did not try to sell anything!

well done ATS

Bill_56 · Jul 18th, 2010, 23:08

Sorry to be cynical, but there are two possibilities here:

1) ATS don't understand the difference between brake pads and brake shoes, and simply checked the pads. That would be a very good reason to avoid ATS.

2) ATS went to all the time & trouble of removing the calipers & discs, and then reassembled them without replacing the shoes (regardless of their condition). That would be a very good reason to avoid ATS.

But then, I'm a born cynic.

Georgey dee · Jul 20th, 2010, 16:02

If they did in-fact strip the brakes down I would have asked ATS to change them anyway using OEM shoes. The friction material on these shoes doesn't wear away. They're designed to bite only so they MAY have just seen that there was plenty on material left on them and not checked the glue. As the glue can fail with age I would change them if they're a couple of years old or older.

Did ATS give you a guarantee?? If so,,, read the very small print and keep it safe

GEORGE72 · Jul 20th, 2010, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Georgey dee

If they did in-fact strip the brakes down I would have asked ATS to change them anyway using OEM shoes. The friction material on these shoes doesn't wear away. They're designed to bite only so they MAY have just seen that there was plenty on material left on them and not checked the glue. As the glue can fail with age I would change them if they're a couple of years old or older.

Did ATS give you a guarantee?? If so,,, read the very small print and keep it safe

Yes, in retrospect perhaps i should have asked for them to be replaced. i will indeed check the paperwork.

I will get the shoes changed at the next service in NOV

Bill_56 · Jul 20th, 2010, 22:05

Am I missing something here, or is it amazing that Volvo have failed to recall over this?

There seems no shortage of evidence that it's a component quality defect, that's been allowed to go unchecked for years, and is not picked up by normal maintenance. It seems only a matter of time til somebody has a very bad accident, at which point Volvo could find themselves in the deepest doo doo. I assume it affects US cars as well, where fear of litigation is a strong motivator for factory recalls. Or, as I say, am I missing something?

My dealer, to his credit, has advised me (as per Clan's earlier advice) to replace the shoes, regardless of condition, when the rear discs get replaced. But that'll be over 100k miles in my case...

ianross · Jul 24th, 2010, 20:25

Looking at those pictures it’s identical to what’s happened to me, today! The wife drives the car and has been complaining of a knocking sound for the past week. Having been away with work all week I drove it today and there was a massive grinding clunk. Luckily I was about a mile from home so we limped back. Lesson learnt, I should have told her to get it in the garage straight away.

I have a question, assuming I can get the parts is this a job I can manage on my own or is it a specialist job? I’m a self taught mechanic like most people on here, but I don’t want to start something I can’t finish.

Cheers

Chesterman · Jul 24th, 2010, 23:39

Ian,
Pretty straight forward job, all mechanical and no surprises. Retaining springs can be a bit of a fiddle. I am sure I have seen somthing on this forum about this but cant recall when/where.

Clan · Jul 25th, 2010, 08:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianross

Looking at those pictures it’s identical to what’s happened to me, today! The wife drives the car and has been complaining of a knocking sound for the past week. Having been away with work all week I drove it today and there was a massive grinding clunk. Luckily I was about a mile from home so we limped back. Lesson learnt, I should have told her to get it in the garage straight away.

I have a question, assuming I can get the parts is this a job I can manage on my own or is it a specialist job? I’m a self taught mechanic like most people on here, but I don’t want to start something I can’t finish.

Cheers

when you assemble the new housing on to the top arm you must lift the arm to the normal running height with the housing vertical before tightening the bolt .. AND new suspension bolts MUST be used and correctly tightened ...

T240 · Jul 25th, 2010, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by sahbstories

This is what happens when you decide to leave checking your shoes.

Found exactly what i needed on here guys to sort me brakes - thank-you, but i left it last weekend "cos it was raining"

What a disaster.

WOW!!!

What a bloody mess!!!

An excellent, if expensive (for someone), cautionary tale.

I'm now totally pleased I bought new shoes and springs etc.for my 850, and don't mind one penny of the extra expense after seeing that.

What's that about new suspension bolts, Clan, did I miss something?

Cheers,

T

Jebelhasher · Jul 25th, 2010, 20:17

My V70 with 80,000 miles on it had a similar problem. The pad liner came off, the shoes came loose and went between the plate and the hub. It took out the handbrake cable and the mounting and needed a new stub axel, £400+ for the part from Volvo. A reputable non franchise Volvo dealer told me it was quite common, his hypothses is that the linings are glued to the pads and the adhesion fails. With 18,0000 service frequency it is worth considering a breake check at 9,000. Cheaper in the long run.

Jul 20th, 2010, 16:02	#53
Georgey dee Premier Member Last Online: Feb 14th, 2024 18:36 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norwich View Photos By: Georgey dee	If they did in-fact strip the brakes down I would have asked ATS to change them anyway using OEM shoes. The friction material on these shoes doesn't wear away. They're designed to bite only so they MAY have just seen that there was plenty on material left on them and not checked the glue. As the glue can fail with age I would change them if they're a couple of years old or older. Did ATS give you a guarantee?? If so,,, read the very small print and keep it safe __________________ HAD; 440 GLT(Loved it), 850 GLT auto(Loved it), S70 2.5T(Nothing but problems!), 850R auto(Loved it!!), S60 D5 SE (Nothing but problems!) GOT; S60 D5 SE Lux Auto RAF Marham Track Day Co-Ord'

Jul 24th, 2010, 23:39	#57
Chesterman Senior Member Last Online: Jul 2nd, 2015 04:07 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chester	Handbrake Shoes Ian, Pretty straight forward job, all mechanical and no surprises. Retaining springs can be a bit of a fiddle. I am sure I have seen somthing on this forum about this but cant recall when/where.

Jul 18th, 2010, 18:00	#51
GEORGE72 Member Last Online: Jan 8th, 2023 16:58 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: LEICESTER	Yes, ATS have a special offer on at the moment (FULL comprehensive Brake check) i downloaded the voucher and explained to them my concern with these shoes, they were more than happy to have alook- And yes they did take the discs off and checked them properly. It took them about 45min in total- contrary to my opinion of any fast fit place they were really quite excellent and did not try to sell anything! well done ATS

Jul 18th, 2010, 23:08	#52
Bill_56 Premier Member Last Online: Oct 29th, 2021 23:58 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Over the hill	Sorry to be cynical, but there are two possibilities here: 1) ATS don't understand the difference between brake pads and brake shoes, and simply checked the pads. That would be a very good reason to avoid ATS. 2) ATS went to all the time & trouble of removing the calipers & discs, and then reassembled them without replacing the shoes (regardless of their condition). That would be a very good reason to avoid ATS. But then, I'm a born cynic.

Jul 20th, 2010, 22:05	#55
Bill_56 Premier Member Last Online: Oct 29th, 2021 23:58 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Over the hill	Am I missing something here, or is it amazing that Volvo have failed to recall over this? There seems no shortage of evidence that it's a component quality defect, that's been allowed to go unchecked for years, and is not picked up by normal maintenance. It seems only a matter of time til somebody has a very bad accident, at which point Volvo could find themselves in the deepest doo doo. I assume it affects US cars as well, where fear of litigation is a strong motivator for factory recalls. Or, as I say, am I missing something? My dealer, to his credit, has advised me (as per Clan's earlier advice) to replace the shoes, regardless of condition, when the rear discs get replaced. But that'll be over 100k miles in my case...

Jul 24th, 2010, 20:25	#56
ianross New Member Last Online: Aug 5th, 2010 12:55 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: sunderland	Looking at those pictures it’s identical to what’s happened to me, today! The wife drives the car and has been complaining of a knocking sound for the past week. Having been away with work all week I drove it today and there was a massive grinding clunk. Luckily I was about a mile from home so we limped back. Lesson learnt, I should have told her to get it in the garage straight away. I have a question, assuming I can get the parts is this a job I can manage on my own or is it a specialist job? I’m a self taught mechanic like most people on here, but I don’t want to start something I can’t finish. Cheers

Jul 25th, 2010, 20:17	#60
Jebelhasher Jebelhasher Last Online: Jul 4th, 2019 23:33 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Preston	My V70 with 80,000 miles on it had a similar problem. The pad liner came off, the shoes came loose and went between the plate and the hub. It took out the handbrake cable and the mounting and needed a new stub axel, £400+ for the part from Volvo. A reputable non franchise Volvo dealer told me it was quite common, his hypothses is that the linings are glued to the pads and the adhesion fails. With 18,0000 service frequency it is worth considering a breake check at 9,000. Cheaper in the long run.

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