Petrol and diesel vehicle ban brought forward to 2035

[domhart10]

Thoughts? I think they are even thinking of banning hybrids.

I know there is a push for green but is this possibly a backwards step in creating now a tonne of waste with redundant cars ... then needing to produce an enormous amount of batteries for these electric cars?

link below:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51366123

[Dastardly Diesel]

The title is misleading. It is a ban on new sales, not a ban on the vehicles themselves.

[Thekilt]

I dont think it will create more waste at this stage, as its only sales that are banned, not driving ICE cars. Whether it turns out that you cant drive on the roads by 2050 in an ICE car we will have to see, however they cannot ban it completely. there are so many vintage cars and events, racing etc that are no where near eletric only.

It would be intersting to see the price of petrol and diesel when more people are driving electric.

[domhart10]

Originally Posted by Thekilt

I dont think it will create more waste at this stage, as its only sales that are banned, not driving ICE cars. Whether it turns out that you cant drive on the roads by 2050 in an ICE car we will have to see, however they cannot ban it completely. there are so many vintage cars and events, racing etc that are no where near eletric only.

It would be intersting to see the price of petrol and diesel when more people are driving electric.

yeh absolutly, my mind just shocked when I saw that article.

Is the UK ready for a big push on electric vehicles? The infrastructure doesnt seem there yet for this and no idea how the surge of demand will impact the supply network?

Of course a lot can happen between now and 2035.

[Moose Test]

Originally Posted by domhart10

no idea how the surge of demand will impact the supply network?

I'll wager that there's been little, if any, consultation with the power generation, transmission and distribution companies, who now have just 15 years to upgrade their entire infrastructure to match the increased demand and new supply patterns.

There is no way that, e.g. in the rural communities (such as the one in which I live) with overhead supply provision and diversity factors from the last century, we can all arrive home from work within 1-2 hours of each other and start pulling 32A+ for fast chargers, without the lights going out.

On a more optimistic note, the recent press announcement regarding the planned roll-out of Rolls-Royce's modular nuclear reactors would seem to align well with such plans. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51233444

[FunkyMelon]

I'm an electronics engineer currently designing a whole host of sub station/link box monitoring equipment for some very big power providers within the UK and can confidently say, no, the country is nowhere near ready for everyone to have electric vehicles.

They're essentially trying to work out how much longer they can use the current system before they have to face facts and get out their wallets.

Also

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49355817

It'll be the palm oil of the chemical world before long.

Till the grid is a near enough 100% renewable way and battery technologies become more 'green' electric cars solve absolutely nothing.

[Zebster]

Unless the way in which electricity is generated, distributed and retailed we are heading for disaster.

There must already be a high load spike at midnight GMT as the E7 tariff switches in... in a few years time when there's an extra few gigawatts added to that it'll become so huge I can imagine the generator turbines stalling!

[T5R92011]

We'll all be driving hydrogen fuel cell cars by then no doubt....

Surely easier to fill up a car with hydrogen at the local garage, than to upgrade our entire electrical infrastructure nationwide to account for everybody 'fast charging' their car overnight?

Surely Shell, BP etc would rather sell us a tank of hydrogen, then let the profits go Npower etc.

[Harvey1512]

Originally Posted by T5R92011

We'll all be driving hydrogen fuel cell cars by then no doubt....

Surely easier to fill up a car with hydrogen at the local garage, than to upgrade our entire electrical infrastructure nationwide to account for everybody 'fast charging' their car overnight?

Surely Shell, BP etc would rather sell us a tank of hydrogen, then let the profits go Npower etc.

This X 100

I'm not an engineer, I know there are still issues with hydrogen, but it seems so much more feasible to roll out than electric. So much easier ref infrastructure, it is largely already there in the guise of petrol stations. The increase in electric charging points is off the scale in comparison. I can see electric cars and charging becoming the great white elephant.

[Welton]

I still don't understand how electric charging would work in the many thousands of UK Terraced Streets where you park in a different place every night!

Sure you could maybe plug into a lamp post but how would you pay for the 'leccy used?