Does a 14 plate (UK) D4 V70 have a Euro 6 engine?

[Tatsfield]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

Electric cars are a "flash in the pan" of history and will be going in 10-20 years time

I think there is likely to be a mixed market for the various power source vehicles. The "shopping trolley" market seems made for EV. Cars like my wife's Micra never do trips of more than 5 miles to the shops and back or to the station. These are urban vehicles which, if EVs would not pollute the air and would not have any range issues which are the main worry for most prospective EV owners. Once charging was regularised there would be very little need to power these cars in any other war. Supermarket and other car parks would fit induction charging in all bays and the cars would just charge themselves without any owner interference. Hydrogen would have no place in their use pattern.

Long distance transport by car would need a rapid refuel system which hydrogen could fulfil. Whether burning it in an ICE engine or using it in a hydrogen fuel cell EV wouldn't matter and the market would make the decision between the two. I have seen very little hydrogen ICE development which is strange as it calls for the minimum of technological advance. The main hydrogen problems are production, distribution, including a point of sale fuelling system and safe storage on the user vehicles. Time will tell.

And I'm certainly contributing to a way off point posting outbreak.

[FreshAir]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

Just been reading up on it https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/LEZ that level of draconian enforcement should not be allowed. Another failure of devolution.

Wow. Completely unfair for those that cannot afford a newer car.

Slowly driving normal people away from having cars.

[FreshAir]

Originally Posted by yostumpy

Actually........I disagree, it’s coming! to us all, in the not too distant future they’ll mostly all be gone, even our lovely Volvos . Quite funny really, our grandson was playing with his toy cars....as you do, lining them all up and making the obvious car noises as they moved forward, he is 7. Now his children, when they play with their toy cars, ......what noise will they make? How do you make the sound of an empty milk float?. Retro fit EV kits that are affordable, using mostly standard components with std batteries, is the way forward for now I know it’s difficult to foresee, but change is coming quicker than a freight train. One thing I find hard to understand , bit OT here, that most EV cars are ....cars with an EV motor. Why not start from scratch? No steering wheel, use a joystick. Simple controls that slide across so LHD/ RHD no problem, lightweight construction, modular ie 9 seater turns into pick up , turns into a van , with different body. Minimal electronic stuff. We need extended mileage not a car with more computing power than NASA. Limited speed/power / 0-60, yes Tesla’s seem fun, but miss the point by a long way. I’ll stop my rant now. Happy days.

Retro fit EV kits will not work on more modern cars. Converting a classic is easy, there aren't 10's of ECU on the car all interdependent on each other.

Safety legislation is going to drive for more nannying controls to make sure we don't bump into each other.

On later point by other, I agree Tesla is going to be left wanting, they are over charging for an inferior product now. Demand is currently outstripping supply so they are OK. The 'legacy' car makers are catching up fast, with more complete designs that will appeal to more people.

Big issue at the moment is the lack of depreciation on most EV's, except old Leafs with tiny batteries. At some point these cars will get a lot older and will start having suspension, inverter, motor and battery failures and prices will start falling. That's likely to be at least 10 years away though. Current rate of depreciation on eNero's puts life of car at 30 years plus without any issues, although market heavily skewed by supply/demand at the moment.

EV's are too expensive for me at the moment, and would only work as a 2nd car. My last months V70 travels except a couple of local journeys would have been impossible in an EV of any type over a similar time scale.

[simboc2004]

So, EVs are best in an urban environment doing short journeys, but where places to charge are hard to come by (particularly at home, where most people use non-allocated on-street parking, or live in flats with no allocated parking spaces), whilst they just don't have the range for most rural living, where people generally have parking where they could charge an EV...
I can see the problem coming with cities banning conventional engines, however, for the tiny amount of city driving I do (40 miles a year out of 15,000 in the last year), it's not worth changing (nor can I afford to anyway). To go into London now I can pay the £15 (ish) a day toll, or I can hire a car or van that meets the emissions limit.

[Tatsfield]

As I mentioned in my post, induction charging as a standard universal system for EVs would, once the investment had been made, enable EVs to automatically recharge whenever they were parked over an induction charging grid. Every space in a supermarket car park could be recharge capable and the charging cost could automatically be added to the bill at the checkout. If the system was expanded to all car parks, owners of local use cars wouldn't have to consider charging their cars at home as whenever they used them and parked, the cars would automatically recharge. No cables or sockets and no charging units that were vulnerable to failure. It's the sort of thinking that the motor industry and the government needs to consider instead of power sockets on lamp posts!

[Sotosound]

Originally Posted by Tatsfield

As I mentioned in my post, induction charging as a standard universal system for EVs would, once the investment had been made, enable EVs to automatically recharge whenever they were parked over an induction charging grid. Every space in a supermarket car park could be recharge capable and the charging cost could automatically be added to the bill at the checkout. If the system was expanded to all car parks, owners of local use cars wouldn't have to consider charging their cars at home as whenever they used them and parked, the cars would automatically recharge. No cables or sockets and no charging units that were vulnerable to failure. It's the sort of thinking that the motor industry and the government needs to consider instead of power sockets on lamp posts!

Are current EVs the DAB radios of the automotive sector, i.e. about to be made redundant by new technology?

(I still believe that exchangeable batteries are a better solution for many, many reasons, but the DfT don't seem to agree with me. Having said that, the DfT don't seem to have much to offer regarding EVs other than a few high-level slogans that include the term 'world-beating'.)

[Tatsfield]

Can't really agree about battery exchange. If you consider battery exchange vs induction charging: the former requires a complicated process and the removal and replacement of a heavy item while the latter merely requires you to park in the parking bay, which is what you would do with any vehicle, EV or otherwise. Certain vehicle systems work for specific modes of use and for small local "shopping trolley" cars carrying little weight and travelling short distances, electric power seems the ideal mode. That's why milk floats were always electric before there were any other EVs in general use!

[Sotosound]

Originally Posted by Tatsfield

Can't really agree about battery exchange. If you consider battery exchange vs induction charging: the former requires a complicated process and the removal and replacement of a heavy item while the latter merely requires you to park in the parking bay, which is what you would do with any vehicle, EV or otherwise. Certain vehicle systems work for specific modes of use and for small local "shopping trolley" cars carrying little weight and travelling short distances, electric power seems the ideal mode. That's why milk floats were always electric before there were any other EVs in general use!

Induction charging is elegant and clean, but the amount of cost involved in implementing it would be huge.

Exchangeable batteries would, in the main, only require the use of existing filling stations, and no additional infrastructure changes would be needed beyond modifications to those filling stations and their electricity supply.

Anything other than exchangeable batteries, however, would mean massive infrastructure changes, and problems for the many people who don't have access to home charging but who also don't want to go shopping in order to recharge their car.

(With current charging technology, existing filling stations would become unviable.)

[SnineT]

This is why there is no one fits all solution,

Inductive, great but every road up and then parking fights when someone wants to charge up outside of a house that the owner believes he has sole rights over the charging bump,

Swappable Batteries, great until you realise you haven't get space for 4000 cell sledges per day to meet demand and nor do you have 4000 chargers to recharge the swap outs,

Hydrogen, great if it pumped into a tank and ran like a normal engine, I suspect it's too drying for a normal engine and would rapidly break the oil down,

Tip for all, if you see one of those old mobility 3 wheelers in pale blue nab it and slap a Volvo badge on it, nobody will notice

[uknowiama]

Going to weigh in with my opinion and the future of motoring.

Driving into city centres. Govts will be wanting cars to be hybrid min? Drive between cities on ICE. Drive last few miles in city - in stop start - on EV power. Maybe some cities should be moving away from allowing private vehicles in?

The most environmental thing.. may be synthetic fuels? Maybe short to medium term? So that conventional ICE engines can continue to be used? Produced by renewalable energy. Be delivered using existing infrastructure. The biggest environmental impact replacing a load of perfectly good vehicles and infrastructure.

EVs. 1st use is getting from A to B. But from what I have been reading - they serve a second purpose that will get more and more important as we switch to more nrenewable energy. As well as how dependent we become on electricity generally. Connected world. Your EV will be used for Energy storage.

Smooth out the demand. Charge up car over night and if it goes nowhere discharge through the day.

Or you drive to work and plug in, work chrages car for free, but they can re-use that energy if needed - power cut / smooth supply - but of course there is a min level which will not drop below so can drive home.

Swappable batteries. Always thought this is the enswer. Drive in, 5 mins later, drive out with swapped battery. The problem is the high cost of batteries and need for precious rare earth metals and materials. When you move to swappable batteries you need a lot more batteries than just the ones in the car - you need a load more spare - ready to be swapped or on charge.

Induction charging is an interesting option. A private car spends vast majority of its time parked. So if parked over an induction charger - without really having to do anything - battery is being charged - maintained.

Solar Panels - think these should be standard fit on all EVs - just to help top up battery when parked and not charging from grid? Or run the auxillary systems - heat / aircon/ lights, etc