Advanced driving -upside down way

[ThomasG]

Originally Posted by Dibble

Not gripping tightly but ready to exert maximum leverage if necessary.
In a place like London there is bound to be some traffic cop who could guide Thomas. If he was up here I could put him in touch with half a dozen guys who would put him through his paces. Lots of Traffic or ex Traffic guys on here who will know someone. Next time he sees a traffic car sitting at the side of the road he should go and speak to them. I know I should address this directly to Thomas but hopefully he will read it.

I wonder would they give a s..t

May try.. may try.. never say never..

but not until i feel im ready.

I know that the main IAM office is mere 7 miles (aka 1.5hours drive) from me

[green van man]

The 10-2 position came about when the police used Riley pathfinder cars, to reach the pedals you had to sit so far forward that it was the only way to turn the wheel shuffle it through your hands. It was a had too that became a must do in subsequent cars as the rules were set.

Keep your thumbs out of the wheel is one I advocate off road and practice at all times in all vehicles.

Paul.

[ThomasG]

In other words-

If I was to explain to the tester/observer what and why do I do in regard to the wheel, and possibly other things too..

Then even as I don't follow books guidance, I'd have a chance to, well.. pass?

[roundyuk]

Figure out if passing the test gives you a reduction on your insurance, it might be worth it.

Is the driving with an observer interesting, yes (i’ve Done it)
Does it give a good opportunity to get some feedback and improvement for your driving, definitely.
Does it improve your observation skills, absolutely.

If you have the time, and your interested in this kind of thing; you’ll get something out of it.

Did I sit the test, no.

Why not? I was young and got bored, plus the observer was like over 6ft and I had an MX5 :-)

I spent c. 10 years driving marked Police vehicles also, only ever as a non response driver, but even Hampshire made you partake in a weeks course for that!

Long and short, if you want to improve, any additional input is always win if you’re looking to improve.

[ThomasG]

Bad news..

The deeper I go into this book, the less I disagree with it..

I will still defend my steering method.
I will still defend ability to lightly brake in a turn, but I will agree that whilst not wrong, the best idea it may not be. Depends on circumstances really.

I'm by the sections (of the book) relating to city and motorway driving.
I'll say only this: I haven't found out anything new.

As a matter of fact- over half of this little thing read, and I can't say I've learned pretty much anything..
I must have wrong book.

[S60D5-185]

Remember Thomas,

Slow in Fast Out

Fast in Hospital Out.


20 plus years on Traffic showed this to be correct at so many collisions that I attended.

[ThomasG]

Originally Posted by S60D5-185

Remember Thomas,

Slow in Fast Out

Fast in Hospital Out.


20 plus years on Traffic showed this to be correct at so many collisions that I attended.

Oh, yes, suuure..

Slow, especially when a big, out of control lorry is rolling straight at ya..
Not likely to end in hospital, to think about it..

Circumstances.. For me its always about circumstances.
There's not, cannot be, even one universal rule to keep you out of "trouble".

On a different foot:
I think I'll order road craft now.
And start looking out for:

-as mentioned above- some patrol car to ask a thing ir two.
- ride with observer (him or me behind the wheel, doesn't matter), the one that gets me to " associate" bar. Preferably policeman. Or ex-policeman, provided he didn't leave service too long ago.
-I may, just may, be looking for observer in Eskdale area, for long weekend end of May. There's no roads like that around here, and I think I'd like to try myself on these.

[MikeGMT]

Originally Posted by ThomasG

Bad news..

The deeper I go into this book, the less I disagree with it..

Would that be the same as "the more I agree with it"

Originally Posted by ThomasG

Oh, yes, suuure..

Slow, especially when a big, out of control lorry is rolling straight at ya..
Not likely to end in hospital, to think about it..

Always have a escape route planned

Originally Posted by ThomasG

Circumstances.. For me its always about circumstances.
There's not, cannot be, even one universal rule to keep you out of "trouble".

On a different foot:
I think I'll order road craft now.
And start looking out for:

-as mentioned above- some patrol car to ask a thing ir two.
- ride with observer (him or me behind the wheel, doesn't matter), the one that gets me to " associate" bar. Preferably policeman. Or ex-policeman, provided he didn't leave service too long ago.
-I may, just may, be looking for observer in Eskdale area, for long weekend end of May. There's no roads like that around here, and I think I'd like to try myself on these.

Quick question, have you actually bought the Advanced course, and/or joined your local group?

This may be of interest https://www.iamroadsmart.com free hour long drive worth £49

[Dibble]

Thomas, remember to get a Traffic man, one who has undergone the advanced driving course and, in your case, he/she will probably be Hendon. As a matter of interest the Chairman of the VOC Dennis is ex Hendon, Dave Ovenden, Surrey, Nigel, Hampshire. So there's lots of them about. And as an additional thought, why not contact the Advanced Driver Registered Keeper. He is bound to know someone in the Met.
I would be disappointed if you came across one of the serving guys who did not give a s..t. You will find they are usually there because they want to be.
A couple of wee points:- the main reason one does not brake in the corner is it could seriously unbalance the car and if there is a need then you have misjudged your speed on the approach to the corner.
Steering:- If you thread your hands through the wheel and pull on the wheel you will get a smooth steering movement. Push it through then it's like a 50p piece. Rough and untidy. I remember a few years ago an ex colleague, not long on traffic, approached a rather sharp bend, did his usual and crossed his hands on the wheel but his hands were locked and he couldn't get the steering necessary to get round the corner. On his own admission, he never did it again.A big fright that night!
Lots of people will criticise Roadcraft but remember they are all tried and trusted methods and the first rule is safety. The rest falls into place thereafter.
I think it has been suggested on here about city drivers and country drivers. The city lads could show us a clean pair of heels but it was the country lads who could make them shift on the open road.
Keep plugging at it and let us know how you progress.

[ThomasG]

Originally Posted by Dibble

Lots of people will criticise Roadcraft but remember they are all tried and trusted methods and the first rule is safety. The rest falls into place thereafter.

No doubt.
But as i stated above- i`m the kind of old difficult git that needs to know "why" before accepting anything.

In other words- it might be one prince or another telling me this, i will not accept it until i know background of it.

And as I see it- i did provide backround for "my way" of holding that wheel (why all of sudden i`m thinking frank sinatra?). I did explain pros and cons AS I SEE THEm for both 10-2 and 8-4 positions.

I`m very interested to see similar level of explanation in defence of that 10-2.

now Mike will tell me that im stuck on topic of holding the wheel

no, I`m not.
I`m stuck on trying to understand where alle these.. rules.. these.. advices.. came from.
and not on basis "a racing driver told us so, so it must be true"
I want to know how did that racer work these out.

quite a task, quite a question.. dont you think?

once i heard:

"give man fire, and he`ll be warm for the day. set man on fire and he`ll be warm for the rest of his life"..

ahh. damn.. wrong one..


"give man a fish and he`ll be fed for a day. teach him to fish and he`ll be fed for life"

give man a rule and he`ll be fine until circumstances change
teach him how to work out that rule, and he`ll be able to adapt

some of circumstances changed already

introduction of power steering, so less force is required to turn the wheel
introduction of various stability and traction controls

just to name two