Volvo in hot water over claim of emissions cheating

[Moonlanders]

Originally Posted by m2srt

Ok, I'm expecting a tidal wave of hate for this but here goes. Firstly, i totally agree with Volvo that in cold temperatures the NOX treatment system has to be protected as Adblue (DEF fluid) has a propensity for freezing. So no Diesel engine will be at it's 'greenest' in extreme winter weather. However, as for the Dieselgate scandal, I am somewhat surprised how people were so quick to jump onto the 'lets bash VW' bandwagon when ultimately they benefited from lower ved and bik rates.

Too many people think they are entitled to money for nothing. Ultimately where does all the money the auto manufacturers are fined by government regulators go to? Does it help to fill gaps in government budgets creating a huge conflict of interest? It does not go to the car owners, that is subject to separate class actions.

Is there a single person who has claimed compensation who can honestly say if they had known the car had 180 CO2 g/km and not the 142 CO2 g/km they were told when they bought it, then they would have cancelled the sale and bought something else? No-one who spends £40k plus on a diesel or petrol car (or PHEV) can honestly say environmental concerns are top of their needs list when assessing what to buy.

Ultimately the auto industry has to pay all these fines and court compensation. How do they do that? Increasing the price of cars, reducing the spec, and reducing the amount they spend on R&D for future improvements.

Deliberate lying about emissions (or anything else) is wrong and action needs to be taken against this. However the compensation culture is wrong. Compensation is to compensate for real loss a person has suffered. Very few, if any, car owners have suffered any real loss as a result of this. In my book, the unscrupulous claim compensation companies are just as culpable as anyone in this.

Rant over. Thanks for your patience.

[Rocinante]

Originally Posted by Moonlanders

Too many people think they are entitled to money for nothing. Ultimately where does all the money the auto manufacturers are fined by government regulators go to? Does it help to fill gaps in government budgets creating a huge conflict of interest? It does not go to the car owners, that is subject to separate class actions.

Is there a single person who has claimed compensation who can honestly say if they had known the car had 180 CO2 g/km and not the 142 CO2 g/km they were told when they bought it, then they would have cancelled the sale and bought something else? No-one who spends £40k plus on a diesel or petrol car (or PHEV) can honestly say environmental concerns are top of their needs list when assessing what to buy.

Ultimately the auto industry has to pay all these fines and court compensation. How do they do that? Increasing the price of cars, reducing the spec, and reducing the amount they spend on R&D for future improvements.

Deliberate lying about emissions (or anything else) is wrong and action needs to be taken against this. However the compensation culture is wrong. Compensation is to compensate for real loss a person has suffered. Very few, if any, car owners have suffered any real loss as a result of this. In my book, the unscrupulous claim compensation companies are just as culpable as anyone in this.

Rant over. Thanks for your patience.

In terms of real loss for car owners, I would say a couple of things:

The fuel consumption figures were also affected by the cheat device, so you'd be spending more on diesel than VW(and others) led you to believe,

The other loss, would be from resale value of the car, as the cars were now 'tainted' by the scandal, you would lose more money that anticipated when selling on.

Who should pay these costs ? VW, who committed fraud, or the car owner ?

Of course you can debate, how much these figures should be, but that is what the courts are for, to assess that loss, and award accordingly.

The lawyers pursuing this are obviously not doing this for altruistic reasons, but that's the system we have.

[Moonlanders]

Originally Posted by Rocinante

In terms of real loss for car owners, I would say a couple of things:

The fuel consumption figures were also affected by the cheat device, so you'd be spending more on diesel than VW(and others) led you to believe,

The other loss, would be from resale value of the car, as the cars were now 'tainted' by the scandal, you would lose more money that anticipated when selling on.

Who should pay these costs ? VW, who committed fraud, or the car owner ?

Of course you can debate, how much these figures should be, but that is what the courts are for, to assess that loss, and award accordingly.

The lawyers pursuing this are obviously not doing this for altruistic reasons, but that's the system we have.

The challenge is these are so difficult to prove. If you and I both drove the identical car on the identical journey, our fuel consumption would be different as we will both have different driving styles. There are too many different factors come into play to be conclusive in my opinion.

The same with resale costs. I'm prepared to be proven wrong, but I have seen no evidence that the resale prices did reduce as a result. The popularity of Audi and VW has not diminished as a result. But, I have no personal experience to draw on here, only anecdotal from friends so I could easily be mistaken.

If there is real financial loss, then yes, this should be compensated (though compensation companies should not keep up to 50% of the monies recovered as the majority of the heavy work is carried out by minimum wage admin people and not qualified lawyers). I am just not convinced for most people there is, or that they would have bought a different car if they had been given the accurate emission figures in the first place.

[RDesign4Life]

Just come across this...

https://www.leighday.co.uk/faqs/volvo-emissions-faqs/

"Affected Volvo models (all diesel & post 2009) identified so far (although not limited to these): C30, C70, S40, S60, S80, S90, V40, V50, V60, V70, V90, XC40, XC60, XC70, XC90."

This on top of the bloody EGR debarcle? FFS!

[Clan]

Originally Posted by RDesign4Life

Just come across this...

https://www.leighday.co.uk/faqs/volvo-emissions-faqs/

"Affected Volvo models (all diesel & post 2009) identified so far (although not limited to these): C30, C70, S40, S60, S80, S90, V40, V50, V60, V70, V90, XC40, XC60, XC70, XC90."

This on top of the bloody EGR debarcle? FFS!

some sort of scam no doubt .

[OldEngineer]

Another speculative grab where the solicitors take most of any money that is extracted.
Leigh Day did the Iraqi claim against uk soldiers
They have BMW lists and many others.
Also doing the Uber claim. Often chasing injury claims.

https://www.reviewsolicitors.co.uk/d...ield/leigh-day

[Familyman 90]

Originally Posted by RDesign4Life

Just come across this...

https://www.leighday.co.uk/faqs/volvo-emissions-faqs/

"Affected Volvo models (all diesel & post 2009) identified so far (although not limited to these): C30, C70, S40, S60, S80, S90, V40, V50, V60, V70, V90, XC40, XC60, XC70, XC90."

This on top of the bloody EGR debarcle? FFS!

Despite claims and references to defeat devices, no one has actually found one on a Volvo yet. Theyre on a fishing expedition that they want greedy comsumers to fund, so whichever wsy it goes they earn some coin.