19T turbo?

[carpy]

That was over a year ago now! Has there been any updates to that discussion?

[bobcat]

regarding reasons for fitting the 19t, include the fact that its a pretty straight forward swap, used by volvo allready and a bit laggy so ok spool up and boost control.

Plus in lance's case, he has a half baked 19t install as im aware. the tuner that fitted his turbo just changed the front end of the turbo (compressor) which means you dont have to unbolt the turbo from the manifold and downpipe, or have to fit a new downpipe which has caused them some issues in the past.

Using this method can save tuners alot on parts (no need for new studs, gaskets and other connectors which are very expensive from volvo, and need to be the correct part) and also alot on the reduced labour times which increases profit.

so you can see why tuners will recomend the 19t half baked upgrade as its a nice product to sell, nice for the customer as they dont need a dp, and good profit margin on the install.

offcourse there are better turbo's out there, ive done a custom map for t28 hybrid and its a very strong turbo which was able to hold 1 bar easily to redline.

regarding the 19t, its not that great a turbo but does flow more than the 15g and 16t's, and ever so slightly more than an 18t. But with the correct mapping i would take the 16t overall.

[pyaap]

Originally Posted by carpy

That was over a year ago now! Has there been any updates to that discussion?

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean as the mechanics / facts about the T28 in question, and how it differs from the 19T, should still apply. The update to that discussion is that we now have some members on our forum who have that T28 hybrid installed (and for some time) on their cars so they should be able to give you direct comments about their experiences with that particular turbocharger.

[pigapumbu]

Originally Posted by pyaap

Its a Garrett GT30, the car was worked on by SW Autos and is running an MTE map. I think Smartbomb has hit the nail on the head here; ultimately it down to the actual software tuning on the car. When I first considered the 19T, I read about additional lag etc., but in reality, once tuned, there was more power and torque from 1500rpm all the way up to the redline so it really is down to the capability of the person doing the mapping.

Right, so to sum up, if the tuner (doing the mapping) knows his stuff, he will be able to maximise power output from a hybrid turbo while still keeping reliability. And any other tuner will tend to go down the tried and tested route even though it may not utilise the cars full potential.

Will remember this, next time I want to mod my car. I hear the turbo is very small. If ever there is a replacement, knowing who is giving the advice is vital.

cheers.

[pyaap]

Originally Posted by pigapumbu

Right, so to sum up, if the tuner (doing the mapping) knows his stuff, he will be able to maximise power output from a hybrid turbo while still keeping reliability.

I would actually take that one step further to say that an experienced software tuner (mapper) will be able to maximise the power from ANY turbocharger fitted to a car, in combination with pretty much any hardware. As both Jacq & Ross have also commented, we really do have humongous turbos fitted to our piddly little 1.9L engines, but still driveability around town is still decent and top end power is insane. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with going down the tried and tested route, especially if someone is reluctant to take risks, but as far as tuners go, what does set the men apart from the boys is a leap into the unknown, with impressive results at the end of the tuning.

[Engineer]

Originally Posted by t5er

Hi everyone,
I own a 1998 v70r awd auto and am wanting more power from her. I am due to get her a new exhaust, ECU upgrade and air filter fitted which im have been informed will give me around 290bhp and 400pound/Nm? torque. I was wondering, If i fit a 19T turbo would this make much of a difference? If so what are we talking in bhp.
Kind Regards and happy motoring
Carl

Hi t5er, IMHO if you’re buying brand new and thinking long term performance why not just go for a GT Garrett spec to suit, as the prices ain’t that far apart from the other turbo’s mentioned and this BB range with regard to durability and performance, modified or not is way in front. Failing that and providing your original turbo is ok then just add a metalic race cat to your list. Could be a cheaper option in the long run depending on your original quote.

Can’t quite get my head around the 360-370 BHP quoted output for the T28 though, is it still running. Only joking.


pyaap, off topic slightly but is your GT30 a standard 0.64 A/R?

[PNuT]

the one thing i havent spotted (maybe i missed it?) is price???

[pyaap]

Originally Posted by Engineer

pyaap, off topic slightly but is your GT30 a standard 0.64 A/R?

Nope, its 0.86 A/R.

[Lance BLACK V70 T5]

Originally Posted by bobcat

regarding reasons for fitting the 19t, include the fact that its a pretty straight forward swap, used by volvo allready and a bit laggy so ok spool up and boost control.

Plus in lance's case, he has a half baked 19t install as im aware. the tuner that fitted his turbo just changed the front end of the turbo (compressor) which means you dont have to unbolt the turbo from the manifold and downpipe, or have to fit a new downpipe which has caused them some issues in the past.

Using this method can save tuners alot on parts (no need for new studs, gaskets and other connectors which are very expensive from volvo, and need to be the correct part) and also alot on the reduced labour times which increases profit.

so you can see why tuners will recomend the 19t half baked upgrade as its a nice product to sell, nice for the customer as they dont need a dp, and good profit margin on the install.

offcourse there are better turbo's out there, ive done a custom map for t28 hybrid and its a very strong turbo which was able to hold 1 bar easily to redline.

regarding the 19t, its not that great a turbo but does flow more than the 15g and 16t's, and ever so slightly more than an 18t. But with the correct mapping i would take the 16t overall.

Can I ask why you are making coments about a car you know nothing about?
Just for reference my old turbo was completly removed and replaced with a new upgrade turbo installed in its place therefore the coments above are complete noncense.
The Upgrade turbo holds well over 1 bar of boost to the redline!

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by Lance BLACK V70 T5

Can I ask why you are making coments about a car you know nothing about?
Just for reference my old turbo was completly removed and replaced with a new upgrade turbo installed in its place therefore the coments above are complete noncense.
The Upgrade turbo holds well over 1 bar of boost to the redline!

really lance??? they replaced your turbo with a complete 19t!!!

do these quotes sound familiar:

"Glad you like it Lance. This is with a standard 2.5" Volvo downpipe too!!!"

"I also would like to say thanks to the Big man himself J for convincing me the 19T hybrid was the route to go,"

please dont try and insult me lance, you have posted many times before about your hybrid, or im my terms "half baked" 19t.

I look forward to your reply lance.

Thanks
Matt.