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2010 C30 needs replacement engine, which engine should I get

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Old Aug 21st, 2017, 18:20   #1
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Unhappy 2010 C30 needs replacement engine, which engine should I get

Hey guys, I'm new to this but needing some advice. I own a 2010 C30 1.6 diesel.

I bought it little over 6 months ago and was in fact blinded by its beauty and didn't realise how many issues I was buying it with. Absolute rookie error I know.

So after white smoke pouring out the back of the engine and the poor baby spending two weeks at a Volvo specialist it's come to light that I need a new engine.

Unfortunately I spent a lot on the car and plenty since trying to fix a problem that turns out cannot be fixed. I don't have a lot of spare change left!

I've heard through the grapevine that a ford psa engine is the same as mine and that with a little tweaking, it should go straight in. This is the cheaper option for me but I've had no clear guidance on whether it will actually work.

Does any one have any idea whether it would and how much work it would take to do it?

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Old Aug 21st, 2017, 18:31   #2
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interested to know what is wrong with the engine in it.
But i can confirm that the psa engine will fit straight in - it will involve swapping some parts, but the actual engine itself will fit no bother.
just make sure you get the correct one, i think yours is 16 valve though not sure. Its easy to tell from the EGR layout on them.
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I'm guessing it's a 5 speed box so it'd be a 16 valve engine. The code is DV6TED4, DLD416 or W16 depending on what car you get it out of. These engines are used in Suzuki's, Mazda's, Ford's, Citroen's, Peugeot's, BMW MINI's and Volvo's so there plenty to choose from
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Old Aug 21st, 2017, 19:25   #4
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interested to know what is wrong with the engine in it.
But i can confirm that the psa engine will fit straight in - it will involve swapping some parts, but the actual engine itself will fit no bother.
just make sure you get the correct one, i think yours is 16 valve though not sure. Its easy to tell from the EGR layout on them.
good luck
Thanks for the response. I like that answer! With regards to the engine I'm not sure what's wrong with it. So we took it to one garage and was told the dpf was causing the white smoke so we had it removed. It didn't help at all and we also now have the engine management light on for dpf fluid. The Volvo specialist tested the head gasket and said it definitely wasn't that so I then paid to have the turbo taken out and stripped only to find its not that either so they've said there's probably oil leaking into the engine somewhere and the best thing to do it replace it 🤷🏾*♀️
By any chance do you happen to know what parts I'd have to swap from this engine to the psa?

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Old Aug 21st, 2017, 20:23   #5
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So is it burning oil? Is the oil level dropping? If so, someone should know where it's going. Taking the DPF out will never fix anything, only add to your problems unless the ecu is coded to be told the DPF and fluid tank has been removed and new engine map written. Turbo damage is usually black smoke anyway, not white. If it were a dodgy DPF you'd smell it as the smell is unmistakable. Was the car ever hooked up to Volvo diagnostics? You can force regen the DPF and see soot loads and fluid levels in the program as well as all the fault codes. Also worth noting removing the DPF is illegal and the car will very soon fail its MoT as we move away from simple visual inspections of the DPF so unless you know a tame MoT tester you may want to put the DPF back anyway.

Does the car drive OK or is it down on power? Is the fuel consumption really bad? Is the oil level rising? If the MPG is crap and the oil level is rising the DPF system could be trying to do a regen, failing, and dumping the diesel into the sump (not uncommon on these engines).

There's a lot more to test before condemning the engine IMO. The easiest way to do things really is to get a short engine, so just a block and a head and transfer all the old ancillaries (turbo, manifolds, EGR, coolant system pipes, ECU etc) from the old engine after testing them to ensure they work. The safest way is to have a complete donor car that you know runs and go from there. Whatever happens, should you swap the engine over, ensure you have a new cambelt fitted at this stage and have the cam chain inspected at this point to ensure it hasn't stretched which will cause problems down the line.
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In all fairness this is where I have to trust what people are saying to me because although I have a small amount of knowledge about cars it's not enough to know whether what they're suggesting stands.
It's confusing because other than the smoke it drives really well. There's no loss of power and it's not burning oil and ive not had to top it up since it's last mini service.
The dpf issues has riled me if I'm honest. I was assured it would fix all my problems when in actual fact they've probably caused me another one. The white smoke is intermittent. It's not happening the minute the engine turns on but I also couldn't tell you when it decides to happen. It's not once the engine has been running for so long or if I reach a certain speed of rpm. It's so odd. Diagnostics have been hooked up but the only thing showing is the dpf fluid being empty.
If I can help it I'd rather not replace the engine so long as it doesn't cost me the same amount in trying to resolve the problem! I'm at a loss
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So the only fault showing is the low fluid in the DPF? What's the mileage on the car? The fluid needs filling at 37.5k miles and the DPF should be changed at 75k. Most live longer than that but if the cars done constant short journeys it can shorten its lifespan. If it's been on a scanner what codes are coming up? Has it been scanned on VIDA or just a generic scan tool? Only VIDA is really up to the job of reading all the marque specific fault codes.

An engine that is running well, with no power loss, no fluid loss and only intermittent smoke issues doesn't sound like a terminally ill engine to me.

What's the situation with the DPF right now? Has it been gutted or does the car have a DPF?
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I don't know what the scan codes were but I can find out? It was a Volvo specialist it went to so I would hope they used the right equipment. The dpf has been removed and it was recoded to bypass it. It has had a stage 1 remap though if that makes any difference. The mileage is 54k. I'm unsure of the dpf fluid has ever been topped up and we can't get hold of the guy we bought the car from conveniently.
After we'd had a couple of weeks it was blowing black smoke so we had the remap taken off and new one put on. At that point the black smoke stopped and the white smoke started. All too much of a conicidence.
I'm sorry I don't know much else about it. It's just driving me mad blowing all this smoke! It didn't fail emissions at mot though. It's just passed with no dpf
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From an armchair perspective, on the balance of assumption it really sounds like the DPF system is where the issue lies. If the fluid tank is low or empty (it's easy to check, it's in a tank behind the wheel arch liner on the drivers side) it's not expensive to fill again. I raise the question, did anyone check this before simply gutting the DPF? I'm not sure this map has been done well, to go from black some to white smoke with all other factors the same just altering the engine mapping is suspect to me. Also, if a proper job of coding the DPF out was done the Engine Management light wouldn't be on and the car wouldn't be telling you that the fluid tank needs filling. Was the car smoking or running well when the emissions were done and was the MoT done by the people who've been doing the work on the DPF system? The car may pass on emissions now but it won't in the future. It's also illegal to remove one and if you are caught you will be liable for a fine up to £1000 (in case you aren't aware). Most places that remove DPF's will do a remap while they're there to increase power as they'll have to flash the ECU to play with the DPF system.

Again, without seeing the car but knowing the DPF system has been messed with, I would say the engine is probably fine.

Why was the DPF bypassed in the first place??
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From an armchair perspective, on the balance of assumption it really sounds like the DPF system is where the issue lies. If the fluid tank is low or empty (it's easy to check, it's in a tank behind the wheel arch liner on the drivers side) it's not expensive to fill again. I raise the question, did anyone check this before simply gutting the DPF? I'm not sure this map has been done well, to go from black some to white smoke with all other factors the same just altering the engine mapping is suspect to me. Also, if a proper job of coding the DPF out was done the Engine Management light wouldn't be on and the car wouldn't be telling you that the fluid tank needs filling. Was the car smoking or running well when the emissions were done and was the MoT done by the people who've been doing the work on the DPF system? The car may pass on emissions now but it won't in the future. It's also illegal to remove one and if you are caught you will be liable for a fine up to £1000 (in case you aren't aware). Most places that remove DPF's will do a remap while they're there to increase power as they'll have to flash the ECU to play with the DPF system.

Again, without seeing the car but knowing the DPF system has been messed with, I would say the engine is probably fine.

Why was the DPF bypassed in the first place??
The second remap (the one to fix the bad one i bought it with) was done to stop the black smoke. At that point the engine management light was coming on but only if you stalled the car. Once restarted the light disappeared. He then suggested I take it to this garage to go and have it checked over because it was still smoking but white smoke now. These guys decided it must be the dpf that's causing all the smoke so took it out. At this point i thought it was only frowned upon to have it taken out and didn't think anything of it. When I got the car back it was still smoking and the engine management light was on permanently. They told me to take it back to the guy who remapped it (they do a lot of business together) and he would recode the car to no longer read a dpf and in turn that should get rid of the light and the car would slowly stop smoking. He did an ecu recode but couldn't get the engine management light off but said to try filling the dpf fluid.
This was when I took it to the Volvo specialist who did all of his tests and stripped the turbo. This specialist has zero idea why the car is smoking and suggested a replacement engine. At the cost of £6000 plus labour!!
I now know, thank you by the way, that it's illegal to have the dpf removed so considering going back to the garage and making them put another one in. It was then who did my mot as well.
I'm considering now taking it somewhere else again to have it looked at. If I can spare having the engine replaced I would feel much better about it all
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