Two really annoying oversights/omissions on the S90

[Lexman8]

Originally Posted by nu11eaf

Seriously though, the reason I would like a warning bong when PA2 drops out is because I am keeping my hands on the wheel and eyes on the road while PA2 is in use and you dont always notice immediately that the green indicator has grayed out when PA2 drops out, and the first indication you get is when the car starts to drift on a bend and you have to apply steering manually but there may be a moments delay as your brain is computing whether the steering is going to react and glancing down to see the grayed out indicator, by which time you are reacting instinctivly but PA2 might have dropped out several vital seconds before the bend and if there was a warning you would immediately take control.

Exactly this.

[canis]

Originally Posted by Stunts

The other thing is with Autopilot assist. The system will nag you to input steering with an orange warning on the dash, followed up with a bong noise. However, when the system loses control and passes it to you, the only thing that happens is the green steering wheel turns grey. Not very attention grabbing.... Surely an orange flash of the steering wheel icon and a bong would be sensible?

Just myth tuppence worth. Anything annoying anyone else??

Yes, that does sound the wrong way around. I remember driving a freinds 440, some 20-odd years ago now, and it had a similarly useless "warning" system.

It was automatic. And for some weird reason it would blare an intermittent warning noise whenever the selector button was pressed. And when I say blare, it really did, it was loud! And it had a bright flashing red light too.

Thing is, all it told me was that I was pressing the button to change gear. Nothing else. Well, I already knew that, so why was it warning me? It had nothing to do with anything else. It didn't make any attempt to warn about improper selection, or anything intelligent, it simply would blare this bloody noise every time I pressed it. Parking was a noisy affair, switching between backwards and forwards while trying to concentrate, trying to press the button gently, trying to avert the irritating noise. Trying to roll back on a slight incline hoping to not need to select reverse for fear of this blasted noise once again warning me that which I already knew.

Some "safety" systems really are so very poorly thought out, and Volvo are guilty of many of them. The driver is not the enemy.

[Quacker]

I once has a Garmin navigation and Bluetooth device that drove me nuts by insisting on telling me that it was “RECALCULATING!”. Why should I or anyone inside the car care less when or whether it was recalculating?

[Bernard F]

Originally Posted by Clan

Pilot assist is for times when your driving skills lapse or you fall asleep at the wheel , You should be driving 100% off the time using your own skills and concentration not relying on something which assists you when you are no longer in control .
The lane assist is no good for driving itself it continually wanders from the left side to the right side of the centre of the lane , whilst staying in lane .

Unless this was written tongue in cheek you are seriously wrong on both points and I suggest you refrain from using either.
Pilot Assist is for driving on Motorways and A roads with clear lane markings. You still need your full concentration but it assists you in so doing, keeps you away from the car in front, keeps you in lane and pre tensions the brakes before you can if an accident seems imminent.
Lane keeping means you do the steering, not the car. Should your attention wander for any reason and you cross the white line it will alert you. Nothing more. Please take the time to read the manual regarding all the safety Features for your own safety and that of other road users. Thank you.

[nu11eaf]

Originally Posted by Bernard F

Unless this was written tongue in cheek you are seriously wrong on both points and I suggest you refrain from using either.
Pilot Assist is for driving on Motorways and A roads with clear lane markings. You still need your full concentration but it assists you in so doing, keeps you away from the car in front, keeps you in lane and pre tensions the brakes before you can if an accident seems imminent.
Lane keeping means you do the steering, not the car. Should your attention wander for any reason and you cross the white line it will alert you. Nothing more. Please take the time to read the manual regarding all the safety Features for your own safety and that of other road users. Thank you.

I suspect he does not have PA2 in his car and doas not understand its function and is getting mixed up with lane assist. Which as we know will try to to keep you in your lane or stop you running off the road if you lose concentration or nod off at the wheel God forbid.

[Bernard F]

Originally Posted by nu11eaf

I suspect he does not have PA2 in his car and doas not understand its function and is getting mixed up with lane assist. Which as we know will try to to keep you in your lane or stop you running off the road if you lose concentration or nod off at the wheel God forbid.

That may be so but others including potential owners could be reading these posts. We should always correct wrong information as we both do.

[Lexman8]

Originally Posted by Bernard F

Unless this was written tongue in cheek you are seriously wrong on both points and I suggest you refrain from using either.
Pilot Assist is for driving on Motorways and A roads with clear lane markings. You still need your full concentration but it assists you in so doing, keeps you away from the car in front, keeps you in lane and pre tensions the brakes before you can if an accident seems imminent.
Lane keeping means you do the steering, not the car. Should your attention wander for any reason and you cross the white line it will alert you. Nothing more. Please take the time to read the manual regarding all the safety Features for your own safety and that of other road users. Thank you.

I think you are being somewhat unfair. I quote from Clan's original post:

You should be driving 100% off the time using your own skills and concentration not relying on something which assists you when you are no longer in control

Seems pretty clear to me what he's saying.

Originally Posted by Bernard F

...you are seriously wrong on both points and I suggest you refrain from using either.

Please take the time to read the manual regarding all the safety Features for your own safety and that of other road users. Thank you.

Also, I don't think this forum is an appropriate place to lecture anyone about what they should or shouldn't be doing. Inform by all means but do it in an appropriate way.

[nu11eaf]

Originally Posted by Lexman8

I think you are being somewhat unfair. I quote from Clan's original post:

You should be driving 100% off the time using your own skills and concentration not relying on something which assists you when you are no longer in control

Seems pretty clear to me what he's saying.



Also, I don't think this forum is an appropriate place to lecture anyone about what they should or shouldn't be doing. Inform by all means but do it in an appropriate way.

+1 Well said.

[Bernard F]

So you both agree Pilot Assist is for times when your driving skills lapse or you fall asleep at the wheel and Lane Assist steers the car for you but wonders.
Yes he explained how you should drive but leaves the impression that both the above statements are fact. I stand by my post gentlemen.

[Quacker]

Originally Posted by Bernard F

So you both agree Pilot Assist is for times when your driving skills lapse or you fall asleep at the wheel and Lane Assist steers the car for you but wonders.
Yes he explained how you should drive but leaves the impression that both the above statements are fact. I stand by my post gentlemen.

Just to be clear, neither of the above are true. The second less true than the first.