Bristol 'going green'

[steadvex]

Originally Posted by Harvey1512

I wonder if you will get a situation where hauliers and carriers will deliver to a warehouse location outside the zone and then a third party company with an electric fleet will manage the final aspect of the delivery? This could become a model for other city centres?

Any hauliers on here? I'd be interested to hear how they plan to deal with this, assuming they don't just add an additional fee on for city centre deliveries.

Make sense, we used to do it with trains and ye olden days, freight trains combined with electric trucks sounds like win win to me

[green van man]

Originally Posted by Harvey1512

I wonder if you will get a situation where hauliers and carriers will deliver to a warehouse location outside the zone and then a third party company with an electric fleet will manage the final aspect of the delivery? This could become a model for other city centres?

Any hauliers on here? I'd be interested to hear how they plan to deal with this, assuming they don't just add an additional fee on for city centre deliveries.

Of course it will be more expencive. Either the extra polution charge or the additional handling charge will be passed on to the customer. But you will be "GREEN" and save the world while India and China rub their hands with glee.

To deny developing countries cheap power is immortal, however are India and china developing countries when they have a space program and own half the western world? If China called in its debts america would be stuffed.

Just saying.

Paul.

[Clan]

Originally Posted by Harvey1512

I wonder if you will get a situation where hauliers and carriers will deliver to a warehouse location outside the zone and then a third party company with an electric fleet will manage the final aspect of the delivery? This could become a model for other city centres?

Any hauliers on here? I'd be interested to hear how they plan to deal with this, assuming they don't just add an additional fee on for city centre deliveries.

There is nothing set in stone yet , just the general principle is agreed . I guess these kind of things will come out in future meetings ..

[dingov70]

Originally Posted by xsaab

Does a an engine which complies with the EU6 exhaust standard actually produce an exhaust gas that is cleaner than the polluted air being taken into the car's engine?

If so modern vehicles should be given a welcome into the cities.

YES . I am an MOT tester & the latest versions of diesel engine regularly fail to record any smoke output on analysers , but I would also point out we try to record smoke opacity levels NOT the actual gases emitted .

Maybe it's time to burn these free trade eco-mentalist , yoghurt quaffing , fair trade dew fresh pedal cyclists in power stations where their hot air can do some useful work .

It was proven years ago when petrol engines equipped with Cats were used in polluted environments the resultant exhaust fumes contained less pollutant after being burnt due to the action of the catalytic converter . So lets race Porsche 911 with cats around Bristol to clean their air up , Any takers ?

[Whippy]

Originally Posted by dingov70

Maybe it's time to burn these free trade eco-mentalist , yoghurt quaffing , fair trade dew fresh pedal cyclists in power stations where their hot air can do some useful work .

Next time you get one of these eco weenies in your face I recommend a full on bitchslap and tell them to grow a pair.

[dingov70]

Actually Whippy , I have ground a keen edge to my spade ready for future events involving whiney sappy people with no backbone & tender feelings .

Truth be told , when people refer to " you should be more PC " I tell them I know plenty but it does not me a computer and walk away , leaving them . Confusion reigns in their world when they get too close to me

[PRainbow]

Originally Posted by dingov70

YES . I am an MOT tester & the latest versions of diesel engine regularly fail to record any smoke output on analysers , but I would also point out we try to record smoke opacity levels NOT the actual gases emitted .

Maybe it's time to burn these free trade eco-mentalist , yoghurt quaffing , fair trade dew fresh pedal cyclists in power stations where their hot air can do some useful work .

It was proven years ago when petrol engines equipped with Cats were used in polluted environments the resultant exhaust fumes contained less pollutant after being burnt due to the action of the catalytic converter . So lets race Porsche 911 with cats around Bristol to clean their air up , Any takers ?

Give me a Porsche and i’m In!

[Ian21401]

Originally Posted by tofufi

I don't think it is, I think the Portway etc are included in both zones but going over the bridge looks to be OK

I live in Bristol, and have not especially noticed an air quality problem. But the traffic here can be a nightmare... and partly due to daft road redesigns to reduce traffic flows, especially at junctions.

Several places I could name used to have left turn filters and now don't. Meaning longer queues for everyone, and more pollution...

Muller road is a great example of how not to do things... I think there are 12 sets of independently controlled traffic lights in 1.5 miles. Meaning at busy times it barely moves - it now backs up around the roundabout and onto the M32...

I’ve never been to Bristol but agree with your comments about daft traffic management. I live in south east Northumberland, near Newcastle upon Tyne. Newcastle City Council are about to impose a congestion zone. They have spent millions over the last few years on so called traffic management works on many roads, and it is continuing as they have mismanaged the entire process in a few cases which has meant that works which were posted as taking a few months have in fact taken a few years and are still not completed. Each one seems to have increased the congestion by reducing the traffic flow. Even the completed schemes simply don’t work.

Agreed re rail distribution then local deliveries by electric. They weren’t electric but the three wheeled Scammels did that in the past, but the large rail freight yards appear to have disappeared. Yes it may be more expensive in itself but probably cheaper overall in the scheme of things.

[Clan]

Originally Posted by green van man

Of course it will be more expencive. Either the extra polution charge or the additional handling charge will be passed on to the customer. But you will be "GREEN" and save the world while India and China rub their hands with glee.

To deny developing countries cheap power is immortal, however are India and china developing countries when they have a space program and own half the western world? If China called in its debts america would be stuffed.

Just saying.

Paul.

It is nothing to do with china , it is the exhaust gasses collecting in the streets of the city and being breathed in ..

[ThomasG]

Oh, of course it is all about clean air and not pockets of companies making let's say batteries. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't most of batteries produced in Kenya?
Or control electronics, dashboards, ECUs.. these, I'll risk saying, are made in Monaco, right?

Not mentioning the fact that the very Volvo corp is owned by no-one else but small brick manufacturer in Poland.

Erm... Right?

Nothing to do with selling more new cars, at all?