440 wont start

mrkt1 · Jun 8th, 2014, 07:59

hello everyone, I have just joined ,(newbie) needed an alternator for my 440 gl. Found one , in a 440se, the guy said I could have the whole car, it was in good condition so I bought it, cheap. Apparently people and mechanics prior to me had no luck starting it, so thought I'd have a go, all I know is it was supposed to have had a new head put on, and then wouldn't go, so I am going to put up some photos and video in the hope someone may know what my problem is, oh, just to let you know I can do most mechanical things, but am totally hopeless when it comes to the electrics. Unfortunately I am unable to upload the photo of the timing mark through the peep hole in the bell housing, its at the 1st line of the bottom 2,
8 MM BOLT LOCKED IN AT TDC ACCORDING TO HAYNES MANUAL.jpg TIMING MARK IN LINE WITH CAM COVER.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...pfrJEXta5Q#t=0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...WKf_vcRx34#t=0

doingitsideways · Jun 8th, 2014, 09:39

Are you getting fuel and spark?

If so, the crank could be 180° out?

Steve

mrkt1 · Jun 9th, 2014, 00:30

hi Steve , having another go today, will let you know outcome. as soon as I can, thanks.

doingitsideways · Jun 9th, 2014, 00:36

Certainly does sound a little wrong, especially in the second video.

Sounds a little like there may be some piston/valve contact.

If you take the plugs out, does it turn freely by hand?

Steve

mrkt1 · Jun 9th, 2014, 07:26

hi Steve, had a go at it again today, yes have spark and fuel, and it is relatively easy to turn with the plugs out. it tightens up a little but nothing major I don't think, it wants to go, but just wont, maybe I have done timing wrong??, I followed the manual, so I figured it would be right, but am open to suggestions, because I am running out of ideas. also is there an easy way of checking if the fuel injectors are working properly?? curiosity really.

Anadinolin · Jun 9th, 2014, 08:01

When the timing mark on the camwheel is facing upwards, is there a timing mark on the bell housing peeping through the inspection hole? What about the crankshaft wheel at the bottom of the engine? Is that skywards too? (not meaning to teach you how to suck eggs, but sometimes these things have to be asked)

It sounds as though something is blocking the engine from starting in that second video...have the spark leads been changed? Have you looked at the codes on the Obd if its equipped (little black box on the passenger wing under the bonnet) mine has a knock sensor and did similar when that was playing up...

mrkt1 · Jun 9th, 2014, 08:25

hello Anadinolin, cam timing mark is up, timing mark in peep hole on bell housing is just a bit above the bottom 2 lines, and the timing mark on the crank pulley is a little to the left of bottom. and no, I haven't checked the obd as yet, I checked plug leads today and had spark to all plugs,( although I may get new ones just to be safe)

mrkt1 · Jun 11th, 2014, 07:41

still no closer to winning, wont be back on it for a while due to work and family issues, I tried the on board diagnostics, and got 3 single flashes, which is no fault found, that was good. so until I can work on the beast again cheers to all. I will post again on progress in the future, probably a few weeks or so I'd say.

mrkt1 · Jun 20th, 2014, 05:22

had another try today, ended up burning out the starter, and then noticed oil coming out of #3 cylinder, so looks like a rebuild

or I may just strip it and sell parts, or the whole thing,

so needless to say there will be no more progress updates as far as I can see for quite a long time. I would like to thank you all for your assistance, I really appreciated it, THANK YOU ALL. cheers.

Jun 8th, 2014, 07:59	#1
mrkt1 New Member Last Online: Jun 20th, 2014 05:22 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bendigo.	440 wont start hello everyone, I have just joined ,(newbie) needed an alternator for my 440 gl. Found one , in a 440se, the guy said I could have the whole car, it was in good condition so I bought it, cheap. Apparently people and mechanics prior to me had no luck starting it, so thought I'd have a go, all I know is it was supposed to have had a new head put on, and then wouldn't go, so I am going to put up some photos and video in the hope someone may know what my problem is, oh, just to let you know I can do most mechanical things, but am totally hopeless when it comes to the electrics. Unfortunately I am unable to upload the photo of the timing mark through the peep hole in the bell housing, its at the 1st line of the bottom 2, 8 MM BOLT LOCKED IN AT TDC ACCORDING TO HAYNES MANUAL.jpg TIMING MARK IN LINE WITH CAM COVER.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...pfrJEXta5Q#t=0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...WKf_vcRx34#t=0

Jun 8th, 2014, 09:39	#2
doingitsideways The Daddy Last Online: Feb 29th, 2024 15:07 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manchester	Are you getting fuel and spark? If so, the crank could be 180° out? Steve __________________ XC90 V8 Exec, C70 2.4T Convertible, S70 T5 CD, 850 TDI, 2 x Escort vans and a 2.8i Capri. Clearout has begun, but must continue! Last edited by doingitsideways; Jun 8th, 2014 at 09:46.

Jun 9th, 2014, 00:36	#4
doingitsideways The Daddy Last Online: Feb 29th, 2024 15:07 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manchester	Certainly does sound a little wrong, especially in the second video. Sounds a little like there may be some piston/valve contact. If you take the plugs out, does it turn freely by hand? Steve __________________ XC90 V8 Exec, C70 2.4T Convertible, S70 T5 CD, 850 TDI, 2 x Escort vans and a 2.8i Capri. Clearout has begun, but must continue!

Jun 9th, 2014, 08:01	#6
Anadinolin VOC Member Last Online: Jun 20th, 2022 14:32 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Upminster View Photos By: Anadinolin	When the timing mark on the camwheel is facing upwards, is there a timing mark on the bell housing peeping through the inspection hole? What about the crankshaft wheel at the bottom of the engine? Is that skywards too? (not meaning to teach you how to suck eggs, but sometimes these things have to be asked) It sounds as though something is blocking the engine from starting in that second video...have the spark leads been changed? Have you looked at the codes on the Obd if its equipped (little black box on the passenger wing under the bonnet) mine has a knock sensor and did similar when that was playing up... __________________ what good music deserves is full deep bass to give it warmth. the stock volvo sub works....just at high volumes Drum n Bass and dubstep

Jun 11th, 2014, 07:41	#8
mrkt1 New Member Last Online: Jun 20th, 2014 05:22 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bendigo.	wont start still no closer to winning, wont be back on it for a while due to work and family issues, I tried the on board diagnostics, and got 3 single flashes, which is no fault found, that was good. so until I can work on the beast again cheers to all. I will post again on progress in the future, probably a few weeks or so I'd say.

Jun 9th, 2014, 00:30	#3
mrkt1 New Member Last Online: Jun 20th, 2014 05:22 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bendigo.	wont start hi Steve , having another go today, will let you know outcome. as soon as I can, thanks.

Jun 9th, 2014, 07:26	#5
mrkt1 New Member Last Online: Jun 20th, 2014 05:22 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bendigo.	hi Steve, had a go at it again today, yes have spark and fuel, and it is relatively easy to turn with the plugs out. it tightens up a little but nothing major I don't think, it wants to go, but just wont, maybe I have done timing wrong??, I followed the manual, so I figured it would be right, but am open to suggestions, because I am running out of ideas. also is there an easy way of checking if the fuel injectors are working properly?? curiosity really.

Jun 9th, 2014, 08:25	#7
mrkt1 New Member Last Online: Jun 20th, 2014 05:22 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bendigo.	hello Anadinolin, cam timing mark is up, timing mark in peep hole on bell housing is just a bit above the bottom 2 lines, and the timing mark on the crank pulley is a little to the left of bottom. and no, I haven't checked the obd as yet, I checked plug leads today and had spark to all plugs,( although I may get new ones just to be safe)

Jun 20th, 2014, 05:22	#9
mrkt1 New Member Last Online: Jun 20th, 2014 05:22 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bendigo.	wont start had another try today, ended up burning out the starter, and then noticed oil coming out of #3 cylinder, so looks like a rebuild or I may just strip it and sell parts, or the whole thing, so needless to say there will be no more progress updates as far as I can see for quite a long time. I would like to thank you all for your assistance, I really appreciated it, THANK YOU ALL. cheers.

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