Goodbye Every Old Landy' in Wales ...

[julianps]

... or maybe not?

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...esel-cars-fail

Dan Powell, editor of car website HonestJohn.co.uk, says the crackdown on DPF removals is long overdue. “MOT testers have told us that the old visual inspection was unfit for purpose as it made it near impossible to identify tampering or removal. This gave a free pass to owners who were willing to put lives at risk to save a few hundred pounds on their maintenance bills by having the DPF removed.”

But, it appears, if you have a tame-tester (or, as around here, and uncle, cousin or brother with a testers certificate);

“Rather than MOT failures being black and white, the new system creates the potential for confusion as testers will have to make a judgment on whether faults are dangerous, major or minor. This will surely be open to interpretation, which may lead to greater inconsistency from one test centre to another,” says RAC spokesman Simon Williams.

So, how will you fare after May 20th?

Mine's a 2017MY and apart from lamp-washer's I suspect I'm good-to-go, but who knows any more?

[green van man]

Old landies never had dpf filters Julian. They didn't even have turbos until the 19j engine. Some of the later 300 TDI had ERG valves and anything later than a td5 is not a real landrover anyway and certainly not an old one.

My 24 year old 300 TDI passes the emition fast test, has no dpf or erg and I see no reason for it not to continue to do so. As an incomer to the area I have no family to fiddle the results nor ever have. Once the new chassis is fitted I can even forget about welding for a few years.

Paul.

[julianps]

Originally Posted by green van man

Old landies never had dpf filters Julian. They didn't even have turbos until the 19j engine. Some of the later 300 TDI had ERG valves and anything later than a td5 is not a real landrover anyway and certainly not an old one.

My 24 year old 300 TDI passes the emition fast test, has no dpf or erg and I see no reason for it not to continue to do so. As an incomer to the area I have no family to fiddle the results nor ever have. Once the new chassis is fitted I can even forget about welding for a few years.

Paul.

Good points Paul, and covered in the linked-to article (I accept I was peddling FAKE NEWS ...;-)

That apart, I wasn't aware such draconian changes were afoot this year; I'll need to buy an XC40 3cyl petrol (or better, a next-gen' V40 petrol) on renewal.

[HDAV]

Or buy a proper old Landy and no MOT at all.........

[green van man]

Having looked at the proposed changes I do not really see anything to worry about if the car is maintained as it should be.

New regulations are not retrospective and the changes in standards again should be covered by maintenance. For instance, IF the car is fitted with a dpf there should be no visible smoke, well if all is as it should be there will not be, if there is, something is wrong and should be fixed. No car that came out of the factory without a dpf will have to fit one.

I accept that I may not be able to take my landrover into some cities or have to pay heavily for the privilege due to their low emition zones, that is their loss as I shall not visit if possible and if I have to visit I shall find a park and ride.

Paul

[tofufi]

The changes really aren't draconian at all, in my book.

Any car that has a DPF and is well maintained will walk the MOT style test. It's only looking for cars which have been deliberately modified to worsen their emissions. And the requirements aren't applied retrospectively or to vehicles that aren't able to pass (i.e. cars without DPFs).

The changes to the wording (minor fail/major fail) are just re-naming of advisories/failures. And testers have always been able to declare a failure point dangerous.

[HDAV]

Originally Posted by green van man

I accept that I may not be able to take my landrover into some cities or have to pay heavily for the privilege due to their low emition zones, that is their loss as I shall not visit if possible and if I have to visit I shall find a park and ride.

Paul

And that is what they want you to do

[classicswede]

Dan Powell, editor of car website HonestJohn.co.uk, says the crackdown on DPF removals is long overdue. “MOT testers have told us that the old visual inspection was unfit for purpose as it made it near impossible to identify tampering or removal. This gave a free pass to owners who were willing to put lives at risk to save a few hundred pounds on their maintenance bills by having the DPF removed

What scares me is that someone like this chap could be involved in MOT criteria! Clearly has no idea how the DPF works. Collecting some of teh harmful stuff that comes out of a diesel engine while in town to then dump it out on teh open road. So yes taking it off is going to kill

But I have to fully agree with

"He added that another important update was the banning of aftermarket high intensity discharge headlights, which often blind drivers going the other way as they are poorly installed."

I just wish they could do something with all these modern cars that have these horrible lights factory fitted

[Whippy]

Factory fitted, maintained and properly used HID lights are no worse than any other, the problems come when some yahoo wanders into his local Halfords grabs a set of bulbs off the shelf and tries with much grunting and liberal use of the words "****ing ****ers don't fit proper) to force them into units into which they have no right to occupy.

[SwissXC90]

Originally Posted by classicswede

Collecting some of teh harmful stuff that comes out of a diesel engine while in town to then dump it out on teh open road. So yes taking it off is going to kill

That's NOT how a DPF works

A DPF captures the harmful particles generated through burning of diesel, and then periodically the vehicle burns of the harmful particles, producing much less harmful ash.

What it "captures in town" and then "dumps on the open road" is not the same stuff.

It captures the really bad stuff and produces much better stuff that doesn't kill you nowhere near as fast as the bad stuff would.