XC90 2.0 D5 vs 2.0[390] T8 Momentum Pro

[2010 XC90 D5]

Originally Posted by gaby

A T8 Powerpulse??

Ha! Sorry copy and paste. It’s not a power pulse!!

[Director76]

Unless there’s something specific in the spec of MoPro you want, try a comparative quote on an R-Design. I found it was cheaper as many lease companies seem to treat the Pro Pack as a collection of options (which it is) rather than a trim level, so there is a zero residual on the difference, so you may pay for it in its entirety over the course of the lease.

Only disadvantage of T8 over D5 at momentum level is less wheel choice, and from what i recall when sorting mine last year, no 20” options. Personal preference but the 19s do look small on the massive XC90!

ps...tried D5 and T8, there is no comparison! T8 all the way

[Quacker]

In defence of diesel, for long distance travel it’s economy advantage over even a T8 is enormous. At least double the miles to the gallon. Now that my D5 is well run-in, with 20,000 miles on the clock, 42mpg is normal. I suggest that a hybrid over 600 miles in a couple of days would struggle to get 22mpg.

Then there’s the convenience advantage of travelling the whole 600 miles without refuelling. Plus the potential for home bunkering of fuel, which many rural people find almost essential when commercial stations are so few and opening hours short.

For a high proportion of town use with the very occassional long journey, hybrid has the advantage. As a second car for commutes of 75 miles or so daily, with some flexibity and town use, the fully electric car has them all beat.

The new Jaguar is now my most likes car. The iPace.

[Deman77]

Originally Posted by Quacker

In defence of diesel, for long distance travel it’s economy advantage over even a T8 is enormous. At least double the miles to the gallon. Now that my D5 is well run-in, with 20,000 miles on the clock, 42mpg is normal. I suggest that a hybrid over 600 miles in a couple of days would struggle to get 22mpg.

Not sure where that figurefor T8 comes from. This looks more like a track day type mpg for that car.
T8 people have been reporting low 30s on long runs without charging for t8 like Europe trips etc. Don’t forget that soft hybrids lend themselves to hypermiling techniques much more than diesels. So if you really wanted to you can get more out of it.

[MaDProFF]

So far my average since I got my XC 60 T8 over 4k miles is 56 mpg, varied driving, once a week into London round trip 120 miles, most of my journeys are like 30 to 120 miles round trips.
I do charge the car at least once a day over night, sometimes twice.
Even a 150 mile on 50% charge returned 35 to the gallon

This is an XC 60, not sure the difference for fuel consumption over an XC90

[tabber]

Originally Posted by Quacker

I suggest that a hybrid over 600 miles in a couple of days would struggle to get 22mpg.

Whoa, nowhere near. Its high thirties for UK roads (Source, drive from London to Edinburgh), and 31/32 on the continent at 80-85mph (Source, recent drive to South of France). Don't fill it up with that French E10 unleaded stuff though, that dinked a few mpg off.

As soon as you start to have stop start traffic (e.g. queues for peage booths) or you go up and down steep hills, the regen really lifts the mpg over a diesel.

If you are getting 42mpg out of your diesel, that is amazing. Our previous 7 year D5 XC90 we got around 24mpg average due to short runs, and a drive to the South of France we got 30mpg. So the T8 is actually slightly better than our old D5, even on very long runs with no battery advantage. Our average is 60mpg when not doing long runs.

if you know someone who only gets 22mpg from their T8, they must be a total lunatic :-)

[mordred1973]

I know someone who averages 24mpg from his xc90 t8. Company car so he never charges it at home and it's congested A road driving and roundaboit queues for daily commute. His only reason for choosing was the reduced BIK amount

[Haldex]

Don't know how you people drive but my average (almost constantly..) is 8-8.5 l/100km (34-35mpg?). And that's with very little urban driving (maybe 20%) and mostly highway (130-150km/h - 80-95mph). It is IMPOSSIBLE to get it under 8l/100km (ie. more than 35mpg..), but then strangely enough it stays under 9l/100km (above 31mpg) even in heavy urban cycle in Paris. It's an XC60 D5 PP with 17K+ kms on the clock btw.

So (with all due respect..) numbers like 56mpg (5l?!), which are lower than the ridiculously low factory numbers- borderline science fiction.

Yeah, if I had time on my hands to play and try my best - at 18C ambient temperature, flat road driving, with no traffic/no stopping, keeping it under 90km/h in Eco mode, and with no passengers/empty trunk - sure, the numbers would get better- but how often do you drive like this in the real world? And secondly- who drives a 400hp SUV like this? I've tested a T8 for a weekend - not on a track - but in real world conditions - the way I drive my D5 - and I averaged 10-11l/100km (21-23) - which is still great for a 400hp gasoline-powered SUV. Granted with very little charging- but I suspect charging wouldn't raise the mpg by 30+mpg..

Let's not kid ourselves - 2 tons of Swedish steel racked 1.8 meters high, with aerodynamics slightly better than HMS Titanic - averaging the same as a 3-cyl VW Lupo?.. C'mon..

[AB-UK]

RMS Titanic.

[Deman77]

You can suspect all you like but those are the real users and this has been pretty much the feedback since the car was released. you essentially need to be never charging it to be consistently in sub 30s.