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Jun 21st, 2015, 21:13 | #1 |
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Help with "Engine System Service"
Last weekend towing my boat (1.5 ton) on a 400 mile round trip I had the "Engine System Service Required" message and had to endure Limp Mode... Not fun doing 30 MPH on an incline on the M1. My XC90 is MY2006 with the 185bhp D5 engine.
Anyway, fault cleared itself over the weekend but towing back it reappeared about 50 miles into my journey. Thought to myself just get the boat and car back home so I can plug it in and see whats what. I was due a service which I should have done before going but work pressures meant I didn't have time to before i went. On plugging into VIDA I had codes referring to MAF, Swirl Actuator, Boost Pressure and EGR. I guessed my EGR was caked up and probably my MAF was weak (130k). I set about performing a full service along with a full EGR clean and Purchased a can of MAF cleaner. Once all the manual work was done I reset the DTC's and performed Adaptations on the MAF, EGR and Swirl Arm. The Swirl arm was replaced 4 months ago BTW and is working fine. So everything seemed to be fine, performance great, smooth as a silk cod piece. To facilitate the cleaning of my EGR I was giving the car an "Italian Tune" IE a damn good thrashing in manual mode to clear out any lurking carbon deposits in the intake system but then the "Engine System Service Required" message flashed up and moments later Limp mode was on. Codes read as follows. ECM-135F Mass air flow (MAF) sensor - Signal too high. ECM-18B0 Swirl Actuator control - Offset Fault. ECM-6664 Glow relay control - Faulty signal. Now I'm leaning towards the MAF at 130K miles old being past it's best but don't have any experience as to whether it would throw up faults with the Swirl Actuator. The Glow relay error was a new fault not present after the weekend when I towed. Not sure about this one.. Obviously don't want to blow a load of cash just replacing stuff so after the good advice from this board if anyone can help? Thanks Last edited by Coldrow; Jun 21st, 2015 at 21:16. |
Jun 21st, 2015, 21:23 | #2 | |
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It is very risky squirting the Air Mass meter with anything , I have seen two ruined by doing this and at £300 a risky thing to do !
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Jun 21st, 2015, 21:29 | #3 |
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Thanks Clan, I performed an Adaptation on the Swirl Arm and watched it move freely. Like I mentioned it was all replaced and cleaned 4 months ago.
The garage did this job for me though while fitting a new rocker gasket for me. I'll pop the link arm off and see what it feels like and report back. Also the only time I've had the Limp mode is when the engine is under a lot of load. Surely the Swirl arm would be apparent in light and heavy driving conditions? Edit: Just checked the Swirl Flap movement manually and it seems fine.. Last edited by Coldrow; Jun 21st, 2015 at 21:56. |
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You have to get that sorted before thinking about the air mass code . One of the causes of the air mass code IS a faulty air mass meter , but the swirl adaption code has to be sorted first . Air mass readout is about 53 kg/hr idling warm , it will lower when egr valve opens so ignore that .
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Jun 22nd, 2015, 13:31 | #5 |
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Clan, Thanks for persevering with me.
I didn't dig into the explanations in VIDA so I will do a more thorough check tonight. I agree I need to bottom the Swirl DTC before the MAF DTC but as I'm new to reading codes I didn't know if one was symptomatic of the other if you get what I'm saying. Whats bugging me is it was the garage who replaced the Swirl linkage so I have no idea of how thorough he was whilst doing it. I usually do all my own work but sometimes I just don't have the time.... If it does turn out to be the Swirl flaps I'll be mightily pee'd off.... EDIT: About the Glow relay fault, I also have code CCM-0040 Air Quality sensor internal fault, could these two be linked? Last edited by Coldrow; Jun 22nd, 2015 at 13:34. |
Jun 22nd, 2015, 13:42 | #6 | |
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The Air Quality Sensor fault is something to be found on every Volvo of above about 5 years of age Nothing to worry about.
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Jun 22nd, 2015, 22:19 | #7 | |
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OK, hooked up the Dice tonight and ran a few tests monitoring engine speed, MAF - Kg/hr, coolant temp and swirl actuator. I'm now pretty certain my MAF is to blame. It is only reading around 27Kg/hr on tick-over @75 deg but after a couple of minutes will jump to around 45Kg/hr. Blip the throttle and it settles back at 27kg/hr eventually jumping to 45kg/hr after a couple of minutes steady idle. That can't be right can it? I retested the swirl actuator and the arm moves freely to each bump stop using just the tip of my finger. So, what to try next? do I stump up for a new MAF? On a side note after playing with VIDA/Dice for a while what a cracking piece of kit it is!! Last edited by Coldrow; Jun 22nd, 2015 at 22:21. |
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Jun 22nd, 2015, 23:54 | #8 |
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Here are the MAF figures for a Euro3 D5 in grams per second whilst stationary. You can extrapolate to kg/hr.
Idle 13 1000 20 2000 47 3000 68 4000 90 Euro 4 may be slightly different but note the fairly linear rise in airflow measured as revs increase. If you don't get these figures it still may not be the MAF that's the cause so don't go spending big money just yet. The sensor may be perfect but something like an air leak is creating poor suction through the air box, creating low flow figures. Even if it ends up being the MAF, cheap, reliable used ones are available. I got one in perfect order from a member on here for £15 so don't think spending big is the only answer.
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Jun 23rd, 2015, 09:20 | #9 | |
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The sudden jump from 27 to 45Kg/hr could be something like the EGR valve closing...? When i graphed the MAF it does literally jump in a split second and the readings are steady either side of the jump in the figures. So, what else besides a faulty EGR valve could lower the intake MAF readings like this? |
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Jun 23rd, 2015, 09:24 | #10 |
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Hold the throttle at different speeds and get your MAF figures through the Rev range first.
Also, what is your intake air temperature in relation to the ambient display when stationary and on a run?
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