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Jul 9th, 2019, 20:28 | #1 |
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hi, had the waterpump replaced as water was gushing out of the rubber seal as fast as i put it in, i know the valve inside in the drivers well leaks which will also get replaced asap but a round trip of about 5 miles empties the header tank with no visible signs of a leak anywhere apart from the wet floor on the drivers side? which i dont think is where all the water escapes to!
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Jul 9th, 2019, 20:54 | #2 |
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Get yourself one of those LED torches/headtorches that you have full brightness or a dimmer setting on. Find somewhere really dark without sky-glare, street lamps or similar to park at night, get your torch/headtorch on the DIM setting, open the bonnet and start the engine. You should be able to have a look round with the torch and see any water escaping.
The reason this works is because the water, if it's coming out in a jet somewhere will be a high speed series of water droplets. Using the LED torch on full brightness won't show it up as it's steady light so while you may (if you're lucky) catch the stream of water droplets, the surrounding area will also be as bright so will be difficult to see. On the DIM setting, the LED is pulsed at high frequency, rather like a strobe light. It's not visible to the naked eye but point it at a jet of water and it appears to "freeze" the water drops mid-air, much like a timing strobe light works. I found the cause of a mystery misfire and water loss using this method on my last 740 - pinhole in the top hose that was spraying backwards all over the distributor cap and plug leads! Worth a try as it's relatively cheap/free to try and might save you a lot of head scratching!
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Jul 9th, 2019, 23:46 | #3 |
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If Dave's suggestion doesn't work, get the system presurre-tested and gas test the coolant for combustion byproducts.
FYI, I had a series of biblical component failures in the coolant system on a similar age 230FT. The heater valve begat the bypass tube begat the waterpump begat the radiator begat the head gasket... Its the nature of a mechanical device that related components will fail at around the same time. |
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The way you've written it though Ash i was kind of expecting a punchline about ".....begat the Great Flood" or something. I call it "The Domino Effect" - one component falls down and a load then fall down after it in sequence. These days if something relatively minor goes, i tend to do a "pre-emptive strike" on all related bits, make sure they're ok and renew any that look slightly suspect. Might cost a little more at first than just fixing the basic fault but it saves a lot more money in the long run.
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Just a thought, the LED head torch I commonly use has three brightness settings using only 4 LEDs then 8 then all 12. Does your method still apply or does the torch have to have some other method of dimming the LEDs? Last edited by Ian21401; Jul 10th, 2019 at 19:51. |
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Hi are you sure the waterpump is now water tight? 5miles out of the header tank is obviously very bad. My 940 was leaking this badly once and it was leaving a good sized puddle when parked up. My problem was the pump, and it was a flood after each drive. Look for coolant in the oil pan at the front and also further back the pipes by the oil filter can go very bad. Hope this helps
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As that was the original problem leading to the water pump replacement the common sense thought would say that's not what it is, however experience has shown recently that a lot of the new pumps leak badly, even when fitted correctly. It's possible they fitted it wrong or didn't clean old limescale off properly causing the problem though.
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No sign of coolant in the interior. The local volvo garage presure tested the radiator and no leaks detected. The head gasket came under suspicion although there was no sign of coolant in the engine oil. I bought a couple of small bottles of Holts Radweld and added one to the cooling system. The rate of coolant loss fell. I added the second bottle and now I don't need to top up the cooling system at all. I have no idea how long the effectiveness of the Radweld will last but, so far, it has been a lot cheaper than having the head off and replacing the head gasket, which was all that the garage man could suggest. |
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I could not begin to guess as to vehicle prices. I do er, disrespect, asking prices on principle. Especially on eBay. re eBay in general it can be enlightening to search for completed listings. What is the typical actual selling price? Has this particular vehicle or other item been offered for sale repeatedly? Whatever one is buying, if patient there is usually a good item to be had at a mutually fair sensible price.
But re the idea of changing the car, I agree that is not always the answer. One is possibly buying someone else's problems. As a man in a joke said, he should have listened to his wife's first husband ... I have not followed closely diagnostics in this thread. Are there clear enough indications as to the actual and total amount of work being needed? Have all questions that have been asked....been answered? Are any further investigations worth considering? P.S. Note Martin Calva's experience....and what about those heater hoses.... If in doubt, do the cheapest jobs first? . Last edited by Stephen Edwin; Jul 17th, 2019 at 22:14. |
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