AWD Transmission: - XC90 No AWD Want to report this to BBC Watch Dog - Page 11

Beeman · Mar 5th, 2009, 14:01

To Roy and jtaw - if from the begining you didn't have rear wheel drive to kick in how would you ever know this feeling on accelerating hard through bends???
Perhaps you are very presumptious as well as perceptive!!!

nav18tor · Mar 5th, 2009, 15:33

Although I suspect I will never have this problem as mine is an 08 and should have the updated drive components, I do agree that it would be impossible for me to know if the 4wd was working in normal driving because of the cars behaviour

Unless there is a before and after, how would I know what it was supposed to be doing? and if it was doing it at all?

I have now driven in snow, and over a few muddy fields and the General Grappers UHP's have proved great, and I can only presume the 4wd worked as I did not get stuck

I have a new car every 18 months and drive 35,000 miles a year, so am used to different behaviour/handling etc but unless there was a light would never know if all was OK beneath me.....

jtaw45 · Mar 5th, 2009, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beeman

To Roy and jtaw - if from the begining you didn't have rear wheel drive to kick in how would you ever know this feeling on accelerating hard through bends???
Perhaps you are very presumptious as well as perceptive!!!

If you've ever driven a rear wheel drive car and a front wheel drive car you'll instantly feel the difference when driving as described.

RoyMacDonald · Mar 5th, 2009, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by languageservicesco

Hi Roy,

. My personal feeling regarding this thread is that the lack of such an indication, or any check in the servicing schedule, is sufficient to call it dangerous, and incompetent at best.

Cheers,

Kevin

Hi Kevin

I'd be interested to know who said what in relation to it not being covered in the service schedule. Volvo's own XC90 check sheet has the following annual service items....

Drive shafts/ propshafts.....check/report

Road test vehicle..............Check/report

Even if owners are not sure how the vehicle should feel, shouldn't the Main Dealers, given that they charge well over £100 an hour for the annual service?

Roy

RoyMacDonald · Mar 5th, 2009, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beeman

To Roy and jtaw - if from the begining you didn't have rear wheel drive to kick in how would you ever know this feeling on accelerating hard through bends???
Perhaps you are very presumptious as well as perceptive!!!

True, I have assumed that the XC90 is not a novices car and that the car was working when purchased. If the AWD wasn't working when purchased you would have had to researched the AWD info to find out about the car, but this is the technical forum of the club, so I hope you will forgive me if my assumtions were incorrect.

Roy

nav18tor · Mar 5th, 2009, 17:04

£278.00 for an 18,000 mile (the first)service in a main dealer

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyMacDonald

Hi Kevin

I'd be interested to know who said what in relation to it not being covered in the service schedule. Volvo's own XC90 check sheet has the following annual service items....

Drive shafts/ propshafts.....check/report

Road test vehicle..............Check/report

Even if owners are not sure how the vehicle should feel, shouldn't the Main Dealers, given that they charge well over £100 an hour for the annual service?

Roy

gazza12345 · Mar 5th, 2009, 19:06

I have a XC70 D5 geartronic. It went into volvo to investigate anti skid warning light on. it ended up needing a DEM (4 wheel drive unit) This was at 155.000miles at a cost of £1536.66p.
I had load of fun in the snow. 4wheel drive was working spot on.
& when pushing on hard in wet weather round bends or roundabouts you can tell when the 4 wheel drive is kicking in. It does things you don't exspect it to do.

Rockhopper · Mar 5th, 2009, 19:33

Ok, AWD resumed.

Stripped spline shaft on MY05, 53k. Cause unknown. No, the shaft has not been redesigned, no they do not actively check the AWD at service (visual check/report on drive/propshafts condition only - all according to SMgr. He could be wrong). I found it most telling that the service staff knew a great deal about the AG and the sleeve itself, almost predicting my questions. Much more than would be expected for a "relatively uncommon" failure. Anyway...

£87.50 for new sleeve
£246 for labour to remove AG, replace sleeve & seals.

I have to say, the difference is virtually imperceptible, certainly not chalk and cheese despite having made sure it was AWD around those bends (and yes, have driven many 4wd,fwd,rwd). There is a degree of feedback but if you don't know what you're looking for I think the average driver would never know.

Agree with languageservicesco in that this thread is moving away from its original point. I still think there are loads of XC90s out there on 2WD with owners none the wiser. A tiny fraction of owners actually post on these forums - its not a true representation.

nav18tor · Mar 5th, 2009, 21:20

What is the highest mileage on a XC90 achieved by forum members?

4wheeldriver · Mar 5th, 2009, 21:38

4611 and still a week to go by without a fault!! Mind you its Friday tomorrow and if it makes it to 8pm then thats a week. Mind you its done 11 miles this week lol

Mar 5th, 2009, 14:01	#101
Beeman Junior Member Last Online: Jan 8th, 2014 09:13 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cheltenham	Must have only been driving in straight lines with my XC 90 To Roy and jtaw - if from the begining you didn't have rear wheel drive to kick in how would you ever know this feeling on accelerating hard through bends??? Perhaps you are very presumptious as well as perceptive!!!

Mar 5th, 2009, 19:33	#108
Rockhopper XC90 Exec Last Online: Jan 3rd, 2019 09:06 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: ..at the foot of the Peaks	Getting back on track... Ok, AWD resumed. Stripped spline shaft on MY05, 53k. Cause unknown. No, the shaft has not been redesigned, no they do not actively check the AWD at service (visual check/report on drive/propshafts condition only - all according to SMgr. He could be wrong). I found it most telling that the service staff knew a great deal about the AG and the sleeve itself, almost predicting my questions. Much more than would be expected for a "relatively uncommon" failure. Anyway... £87.50 for new sleeve £246 for labour to remove AG, replace sleeve & seals. I have to say, the difference is virtually imperceptible, certainly not chalk and cheese despite having made sure it was AWD around those bends (and yes, have driven many 4wd,fwd,rwd). There is a degree of feedback but if you don't know what you're looking for I think the average driver would never know. Agree with languageservicesco in that this thread is moving away from its original point. I still think there are loads of XC90s out there on 2WD with owners none the wiser. A tiny fraction of owners actually post on these forums - its not a true representation.

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4wheeldriver Master Member Last Online: Jan 20th, 2013 20:28 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Aberdeen	4611 and still a week to go by without a fault!! Mind you its Friday tomorrow and if it makes it to 8pm then thats a week. Mind you its done 11 miles this week lol __________________ BMW X5 3.0sd SE with more extras than the cast of Ben Hur!!!! Mini Cooper Worx

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nav18tor Junior Member Last Online: Jul 12th, 2010 22:11 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Weeley Heath	Although I suspect I will never have this problem as mine is an 08 and should have the updated drive components, I do agree that it would be impossible for me to know if the 4wd was working in normal driving because of the cars behaviour Unless there is a before and after, how would I know what it was supposed to be doing? and if it was doing it at all? I have now driven in snow, and over a few muddy fields and the General Grappers UHP's have proved great, and I can only presume the 4wd worked as I did not get stuck I have a new car every 18 months and drive 35,000 miles a year, so am used to different behaviour/handling etc but unless there was a light would never know if all was OK beneath me.....

Mar 5th, 2009, 19:06	#107
gazza12345 Junior Member Last Online: Jul 1st, 2013 22:41 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: sheffield	I have a XC70 D5 geartronic. It went into volvo to investigate anti skid warning light on. it ended up needing a DEM (4 wheel drive unit) This was at 155.000miles at a cost of £1536.66p. I had load of fun in the snow. 4wheel drive was working spot on. & when pushing on hard in wet weather round bends or roundabouts you can tell when the 4 wheel drive is kicking in. It does things you don't exspect it to do.

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nav18tor Junior Member Last Online: Jul 12th, 2010 22:11 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Weeley Heath	What is the highest mileage on a XC90 achieved by forum members?

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