What's the problem with electric cars?

[Moomoo]

EVs have a great future if they can get folks to pay that much!

Crackers.🤨

[Damoh89]

Originally Posted by Moomoo

EVs have a great future if they can get folks to pay that much!

Crackers.🤨

Il stick with my ice for now me thinks probley hybrid if need to up grade in the future until then c30 and corsa vxr are costing me noting just usual tax maintenance on them I don’t think I’d claw back the price of outlay before I’d have major issues with battery’s and stuff on electric with miles I do,il hold out until the faithfully c30 is like Fred flinstones car

[Forg]

Originally Posted by The Thong

Still can’t get my head around this price…. It’s an idiotic amount of money

That ad MUST be being super sarcastic; they called an EX90 beautiful, when it looks like just another generic truck.

[andy_d]

Originally Posted by The Thong

Development Development…… To get the EV’s to a point where the tech ie Charging, Battery Range etc etc is going to take time. Sadly not quick enough for the environmentalists and the Government who seem to think this will just appear as if by magic. Despite the naysayers, EV has a future. We just need to be patient

TT

they said that about the original milk floats,, "be patient your milk will get there eventually",,,
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When (IF) they can do a milk float that has comparable range to my Petrol engine, with the speed AND safety of refuelling that matches the time @ the petrol pump, will go Way past 200K miles with regular services / service items as needed,
does not need a "new battery pack at £Stupid cost " every few years, isnt as heavy on the tires/streering/breaking system, and can tow without compromising the range/life span like it does now,,

its a Huge IF and a "who knows When and even IF " thats possible, till then EV isnt a viable alternative, forcing us to have them = No,

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by Forg

That ad MUST be being super sarcastic; they called an EX90 beautiful, when it looks like just another generic truck.

Most of them look as if they’re from a Judge Dread film set to me?

[Thekilt]

Originally Posted by andy_d

they said that about the original milk floats,, "be patient your milk will get there eventually",,,
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When (IF) they can do a milk float that has comparable range to my Petrol engine, with the speed AND safety of refuelling that matches the time @ the petrol pump, will go Way past 200K miles with regular services / service items as needed,
does not need a "new battery pack at £Stupid cost " every few years, isnt as heavy on the tires/streering/breaking system, and can tow without compromising the range/life span like it does now,,

its a Huge IF and a "who knows When and even IF " thats possible, till then EV isnt a viable alternative, forcing us to have them = No,

Most of your points above are null and void electric cars, the only one is speed of charging and range, the latter of which is almost there. Safety wise charging is a LOT safer than pouring a flammable liquid into your car at a pump. "Sorry, cant use your phone near the pump just in case it ignites the fumes.." yea that sounds safe!

Regular services on most aren’t necessary, its only manufacturer recommended as that’s the sales strategy for combustion cars.

Tyres: A bit heavier on the tyres but not much, only if you are constantly hard accelerating. New compounds are being developed to reduce this, with more economical materials to aid wear and better particulates.

Braking: Electric cars actually use less braking than normal cars due to regen from the motors releasing back into the battery. If you go up to a ski resort from the bottom, and regen back down again most of the time you dont actually use any energy as all the electricity used getting up is recovered coming down. There is a dumper truck that works this way too coming in and out of a quarry.
Steering: Not sure what your point is here? steering isnt affected from the propulsion method

Towing: This is debatable as any petrol/diesel car is equally inefficient when towing, the only benefit is you have started with a higher range. Percentage wise you are about on par.
Battery packs only need replacing when they have been abused from constant fast charging (same as an engine if you abuse it and don’t look after it) or due to manufacturing defect (covered by warranty) or mis-use as in going through floods (which is the same as an engine with hydraulic lockup). Yes engines can be repaired, but so can battery packs however there are very few companies carrying this out at present. Quite a few in Norway and the states where EVs have been common place for a decade. Here they are still in their infancy.

the biggest factors which put people off EVs is Price and change to something different. People don’t like change in habits and cant get around charging at home. Its the same as charging your phone. Get home, plug it in, ready in the morning. Appreciate this still isn’t a viable way for people without access to their house with nearby parking, however Norway has lamppost chargers and other next to road points and has had these for the past 8 years.

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by The Thong

Development Development…… To get the EV’s to a point where the tech ie Charging, Battery Range etc etc is going to take time. Sadly not quick enough for the environmentalists and the Government who seem to think this will just appear as if by magic. Despite the naysayers, EV has a future. We just need to be patient

TT

I think there's a future for EV's, but its a long way off being the new "norm". The ICE vehicles will dwindle and eventually they'll be a thing of the past, but like you say, its all going to take time.

Tech will get better, range will get better. Infrastructure has to vastly improve though and that's going to cost a fortune. Oh, they need to make cars that people can actually afford too.

Originally Posted by Thekilt

Most of your points above are null and void electric cars, the only one is speed of charging and range, the latter of which is almost there. Safety wise charging is a LOT safer than pouring a flammable liquid into your car at a pump. "Sorry, cant use your phone near the pump just in case it ignites the fumes.." yea that sounds safe!

Regular services on most aren’t necessary, its only manufacturer recommended as that’s the sales strategy for combustion cars.

Tyres: A bit heavier on the tyres but not much, only if you are constantly hard accelerating. New compounds are being developed to reduce this, with more economical materials to aid wear and better particulates.

Braking: Electric cars actually use less braking than normal cars due to regen from the motors releasing back into the battery. If you go up to a ski resort from the bottom, and regen back down again most of the time you dont actually use any energy as all the electricity used getting up is recovered coming down. There is a dumper truck that works this way too coming in and out of a quarry.
Steering: Not sure what your point is here? steering isnt affected from the propulsion method

Towing: This is debatable as any petrol/diesel car is equally inefficient when towing, the only benefit is you have started with a higher range. Percentage wise you are about on par.
Battery packs only need replacing when they have been abused from constant fast charging (same as an engine if you abuse it and don’t look after it) or due to manufacturing defect (covered by warranty) or mis-use as in going through floods (which is the same as an engine with hydraulic lockup). Yes engines can be repaired, but so can battery packs however there are very few companies carrying this out at present. Quite a few in Norway and the states where EVs have been common place for a decade. Here they are still in their infancy.

the biggest factors which put people off EVs is Price and change to something different. People don’t like change in habits and cant get around charging at home. Its the same as charging your phone. Get home, plug it in, ready in the morning. Appreciate this still isn’t a viable way for people without access to their house with nearby parking, however Norway has lamppost chargers and other next to road points and has had these for the past 8 years.

And range. A charger at home is no use if you need to charge the car when you're out and about. Finding a working public charger is the hard part. There's often long queues at the ones that do work.

[Whippy]

Beta max.

[The Thong]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

Tech will get better, range will get better. Infrastructure has to vastly improve though and that's going to cost a fortune. Oh, they need to make cars that people can actually afford too.

And I completely agree. As I said in an earlier, a more linear approach should have been taken. There’s no way on this earth you’d realistically install a reliable infrastructure in the original 2030 cut off date and 2035 is pushing it. All this self driving electric car dream has gone quiet too. Far too many blue sky promises to try and grab votes. All they’ve managed to do is turn people off the idea.

@andy_g, I agree too. Milk delivery vehicles (they not floats as we remember them) should be electric as should be any round robin motors hat bobble around the locality. Some of those Smokey old Merc’s and Transits are a bigger contributor to localised pollution. If you could just cut back on smokey old heaps that deliver pizzas, parcels etc etc, that would be a start. £50k delivery van? Really? Very very few places to get it fixed and so on… it’ll never happen mate. Until some level of sensibility is achieved, it’ll never gain traction.
If you could design a battery that took 15 mins to charge and give you a sensible range, they’d sell like hot cakes. Until such a time lands, nothing will happen.

TT

[Whippy]

Originally Posted by The Thong

And I completely agree. As I said in an earlier, a more linear approach should have been taken. There’s no way on this earth you’d realistically install a reliable infrastructure in the original 2030 cut off date and 2035 is pushing it. All this self driving electric car dream has gone quiet too. Far too many blue sky promises to try and grab votes. All they’ve managed to do is turn people off the idea.

@andy_g, I agree too. Milk delivery vehicles (they not floats as we remember them) should be electric as should be any round robin motors hat bobble around the locality. Some of those Smokey old Merc’s and Transits are a bigger contributor to localised pollution. If you could just cut back on smokey old heaps that deliver pizzas, parcels etc etc, that would be a start. £50k delivery van? Really? Very very few places to get it fixed and so on… it’ll never happen mate. Until some level of sensibility is achieved, it’ll never gain traction.
If you could design a battery that took 15 mins to charge and give you a sensible range, they’d sell like hot cakes. Until such a time lands, nothing will happen.

TT

The industry is learning the lesson, EV sales are dropping, but, I predict, in 20 years, reliable, long ranged, affordable vehicles that won't frighten the insurance industry will be on most people's drives. We just aren't there yet.