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Old Nov 18th, 2019, 22:36   #1
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Default Another Windscreen Wiper problem.

Problem: Not every time but becoming more frequent.
Switch on wipers to slow speed and nothing happens. Move switch to fast speed and wipers operate normally. Move switch back to slow speed and wipers continue to operate until switched off. They “park” correctly.
Switch on to slow speed and wipers sometimes operate and sometimes not.
Switch wash/wipe on and washers operate every time but wipers sometimes do not operate.
Intermittent not operating.
I removed the column switch and opened it up. No obvious fault seen. Cleaned up the internal contacts, reassembled and re installed. — No change.
Removed scuttle panel and disconnected wiper motor multiplug. Separate earth lead left attached to it’s earth connection.
Connected jump lead from battery +ve to brown wire pin of multiplug — wiper motor operated immediately at slow speed. Connect jump lead to green wire pin in multiplug — wiper motor operated immediately at fast speed.
Reconnect multiplug and try using column switch — same problem as described at beginning.
Have now removed complete wiper assembly onto workbench but not sure of next step.
Comments courtesy of “brickboard” indicate that there may be a problem with the motor brushes but is it possible to access those brushes and how?
A presentation on YouTube indicates that there is a micro-processer within the motor and how to check the switch wiring resistances but I doubt if my 940 is as sophisticated as that.
Observations and suggestions please.
PS. The motor is an “Electrolux” marked: Volvo. 3518130. 500. W205 Sweden.
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Old Nov 18th, 2019, 23:28   #2
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Refit the motor using it's original plug Ian, now use a piece of wire to jump the wiper switch connections to get the motor to run (simulating the switch) - if it runs every time the fault lies within the column switch. You could try squirting contact cleaner into it but it's not easy. There are a few on fleabay at the moment - might be worth a look.
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Thanks Dave.
I didn’t hint at what my suspicions were as I didn’t want to influence any possible replies.
The fact that the motor appears to run as it should when disconnected from the harness and jumped from the battery seems to indicate that the motor is ok and the fault is elsewhere, ie, the switch. I managed to remove the switch and open it up before I did anything else. It was possible to gently prise the plastic switch casing apart to expose the contacts. They were a little dirty so I gently cleaned them up and sprayed them with contact cleaner. Three of the fixed contacts which have other contacts sliding on them do appear to be rather worn, which is not surprising after 27 years of use. A comment on “brickboard” suggests applying solder to fill the worn areas then smooth it down but I don’t think that I have sufficient expertise to do that. I’d probably melt the plastic bits.
I’ll double check the motor action whilst I have it on the bench then do as you suggest and check again.
I’m awaiting delivery of some butyl sealing strip to re-seal the air intake cover and secure the metal mesh before refitting the scuttle panel so I’ll trawl around for a replacement switch which will have to be for an estate as needs to have the rear wash/wipe wiring.
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You'd done virtually all the diagnosis Ian, i only had to work out the logical conclusion. If the motor runs direct from a slave battery then the fault must be in the wiring or the switch. Next logical step is to jump the switch, if the motor works then it has to be the switch.

Had a look on fleabay, all of the UK switches for estates have disappeared leaving only saloon switches. While it would get you out of trouble for now, it's not a long term solution. I've been cosidering renewing mine as the "flick" function has never worked, the wipers work in the three normal (int., slow and fast) but no "flick" function. I've lived with it for 3+ years and was the reason i tried some contact cleaner in mine but i think i'll need a new one soon.

Have a word with Mark (griston64) as he's breaking a 98 940 at the moment, also Luke (360beast) has a 97 breaker but i can't think what year yours is at the moment so if those years are wrong then let me know and i'll keep looking.
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Thanks Dave. Agreed about eBay. I’ve already got the headlamps from Mark’s donor car so I’ve contacted him and he’s going to try and remove said switch at the weekend. He’s fairly sure it’s the same switch as mine. Hope so.
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Tested motor and linkage whilst on bench. No fault found. Lubricated everything including that cable prior to re-installing in car. I needed to re-seal the air intake cover but main dealer stated that the Volvo butyl sticky stuff was NLA but I think that I may have been fobbed off. I sourced and ordered some butyl tape on eBay but it’s not as sticky as the Volvo stuff although I think that it will do the job. Installed motor and linkage and tested it - OK. Refitted scuttle panel, difficult single handed, but got there. Light fading and rain starting so didn’t secure it and stopped for the night. Realised overnight that I had forgotten to refasten the cable tie on the motor wiring harness so next day removed scuttle panel again to do that then replaced and secured the scuttle panel. Tested motor etc. again - OK. Refitted NS wiper and tested with it lifted off screen - OK. Refitted OS wiper and tested with it lifted off screen - damn, something squeaking near the motor. Removed OS arm - no squeak. Replace it - squeak returned. Not of mind to remove the scuttle panel again so removed both wiper arms and the rubber spindle escutcheons and sprayed liberal amounts of “three in one.” PTFE lubricant onto linkage and anything else in the plenum chamber through the wiper boss holes and through the air grille mesh, with wiper linkage running. Squeak eventually faded then ceased. Everything now refitted and awaiting replacement wiper switch but car is useable again until then, unless the switch fails completely.
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When I had to re-fix the metal scuttle grille on my 90' 745 a couple of years ago (after about a year of holding it up with fuse wire!!) I used spots of 'Sugru' mouldable glue around the inner edge. I bought it discounted online from 'My Memory'. The grille is still in place.

I have used the stuff elsewhere and found it excellent. This coming Summer I am going to see how it goes on filling a couple of small age related 'heat splits' on the top of the dash.

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When I had to re-fix the metal scuttle grille on my 90' 745 a couple of years ago (after about a year of holding it up with fuse wire!!) I used spots of 'Sugru' mouldable glue around the inner edge. I bought it discounted online from 'My Memory'. The grille is still in place.

I have used the stuff elsewhere and found it excellent. This coming Summer I am going to see how it goes on filling a couple of small age related 'heat splits' on the top of the dash.

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Another similar product is Milliput Bob, i've successfully used it on the under-dash panel on my 760 to recreate the mounting holes, going to be using more of it on the instrument cluster surround/vent panel soon as well.

Not sure how Sugru sets, i know Milliput goes hard so wouldn't really be suitable for the "crash pad" on top of the dash but would work fine on the plastic facia panels.

From this :


............. to this, awaiting final clean up and a drill through the holes for the correct clearance :



Reinforced the hole area with a washer for extra strength, probably not needed but won't hurt!
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Default Sugru, and Cable Ties.

Thanks Bob. I had never heard of that stuff but having now googled it and watched a couple of demos. on YouTube it appears to be rather useful.

Whilst we are considering “stuff”. Do any of our members 7/900 series cars have their cables etc. secured by those cable ties with a rectangular section which locates into a hole in the body panel, as in the ties which secure the harness to the bulkhead just below the front of the scuttle panel? One or two of mine have broken due to age and I would like to replace them with like for like but I’m having difficulty sourcing any.
Has anyone managed to source any recently please?

I’d never heard of Milliput either Dave. I must lead a sheltered life. I’ll research that as well. Thanks.
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Thanks Bob. I had never heard of that stuff but having now googled it and watched a couple of demos. on YouTube it appears to be rather useful.

Whilst we are considering “stuff”. Do any of our members 7/900 series cars have their cables etc. secured by those cable ties with a rectangular section which locates into a hole in the body panel, as in the ties which secure the harness to the bulkhead just below the front of the scuttle panel? One or two of mine have broken due to age and I would like to replace them with like for like but I’m having difficulty sourcing any.
Has anyone managed to source any recently please?

I’d never heard of Milliput either Dave. I must lead a sheltered life. I’ll research that as well. Thanks.
I'll have a look for those cable ties you're referring to later Ian, Milliput has been around about 50 ish years, i first used it about 33 years ago at work and in all honesty had forgotten about it since. Someone over on the Rover forum reminded me about it some time back and when i needed to find a solution to fix the trim panel, it seemed the obvious choice. A McDonalds coffee stirring stick and a pot of water is handy for "sculpting" it as is a wet finger for larger or curved areas.

I call it "Plasticine for Grown-Ups" as it's just as easy to use and probably more fun as the parts become permanent.
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